Resurrecting Dinosaurs – Our Custom Designed RV
Welcome to the grand tour, and unveiling of our spankin’ new custom designed Bounder RV! While we are super excited to show you around, first we want to make sure you’re up to speed.
This custom RV is part of a project were calling Resurrecting Dinosaurs. It’s all about an opportunity to create change and design a motorhome more suited to the modern traveler. You can learn more about the project here: Resurrecting Dinosaurs – The Story Behind Our RV Design
Our new custom designed RV is a 2016 Fleetwood Bounder…I’m sure you’re really wondering: why in the world would we switch to a gas powered RV?
Well, the answer is pretty simple: The Bounder already has one of our favorite floorplan layouts, its way more affordable than a diesel coach and we realized we’ve never spent any time in a gas RV…and we don’t want to be “diesel elitists”. Sure we put them head to head in the Gas vs Diesel smackdown, but how can we truly weigh in with an opinion if we haven’t ever traveled in both? So, we thought this would be a good time to experiment…and beat the crap out of it on our Alaska Trip, nothin’ like trial-by-fire.
Also, the big reason for choosing the Bounder as our design muse is due to the 2016 updates that bring this gas powered coach closer to the 21st century. If you want to see some of the BIG changes that were made to this years Bounder, you’ll want to watch this…because we won’t be covering the standard updates in the video tour of our custom designed RV.
Ok, now we’re all caught up and ready to dive into our designs!
Remember, this was not a ground up collaboration (we’re not qualified nor would we want to take on a project of that magnitude) so we didn’t have any say on the engineering design, floorplans, engine, chassis or any of the other major features. Our input was mostly on the textiles and the overall look of the coach. We see this collaboration as an opportunity to take an existing popular motorhome, make a few adjustments and see if there is enough positive response from the ‘public’ (that’s you 🙂 ) to bring about a change towards more modern RVs.
Overall, we weren’t able to have as much influence as we would have liked, but we think it’s a nice change from the dated looking interiors currently available (but that’s just our opinion). We would love to see some of our design mods in the grey version, and in a soft creamy sand color, become available ASAP in the Fleetwood lineup, and hopefully embraced by all the RV manufacturers. We feel the simple color palette provides a clean canvas to add your own style, whether its with a throw, a few framed photographs, a colorful bar set or even an extra pillow or two.
Our Custom Designed Bounder
Fleetwood’s Standard Designed Bounder
Is our Bounder perfect?!? No, and we realize that. We’re not saying our designs are ‘better’ nor are we saying the current RV designs don’t fill a need for a certain demographic. Obviously, if nobody liked the standard RV designs then the manufacturers wouldn’t sell any motorhomes! What we do know is the standard RV designs don’t fit our style and we know there are loads of others out there who feel the same…and that’s exactly why we’re pouring our blood, sweat and tears into this passion project.
Voice Your Opinion and Vote!
Hey, sorry the poll has ended but you can still voice you opinion and see the results here: Resurrecting Dinosaurs – Influencing RV Design Changes
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Disclaimer: We are not being paid to drive this RV, nor is it given to us. Our custom designed RV is a test coach that is owned by Fleetwood and leased to us for one year. We are thankful to Fleetwood for helping to support our Resurrecting Dinosaurs series, it’s a passion project for us that we hope can benefit the entire RV industry and most importantly the travelers that use them. As usual our thoughts are our own and can never be purchased!
Claudia Wey
Hello. I really love your RV redesign. My husband and I are planning to purchase an RV and spend 1-2 years traveling around North and South America. DId you use a particular company for the custom remodeling or did you do it yourself? I am looking around for a company that does interior remodeling of RVs, but I am not having much luck. Could you share a bit more about the practical process you went through? Thanks! Claudia
Curious Minion
Hi Claudia. If you check out the blog post, you’ll see that the RV was manufactured directly by Fleetwood in partnership with Nikki and Jason. https://www.gonewiththewynns.com/story-behind-our-rv-design
Sandy and Allen
Just ranacross your site. My husband and I are just now looking for an RV for full time. We just retired and think you are so right I lived in a trailer in the 70’s and someone needs to change the look. Even my Grandmother would have hated some of these. We can’t wait to figure out what to buy so we can get started. You have given us so much to think about thanks. We will be back prior to buying.
Xristine
Every time we go RV shopping I think- “Haven’t all the designers retired/died that keep cranking these things out?” Why are they so hooked/deadset on not changing? A simple exterior paint job- just a two tone would be so elegant and stylish, even a one tone with a thick stripe would look slick. The same old wood cabinets are also tired, Mission style cabinets in white or gray would make spaces look even larger. Light and bright and streamlined, not dark and cluttered. The 80s and 90s are done and we’re not interested in our Grandma’s/pa’s RV. Ikea is popular not only because it’s affordable but because the designs are so simplistic and modern. How has this industry continued to ignore these trends?
Jason Wynn
You’re preachin’ to the choir 🙂
Steve
This is exactly what I keep saying! It’s like these designers literally have never set foot in a home built in the last decade. I want to buy an empty RV shell and fill it with my own building materials. I love the colors the Wynns chose and the wall fabrics as well. You know what would be really cool? If someone started a brand new RV company/line that is targeted toward people who want simpler & more modern designs.
Paul
I understand this post is over a year old at this point, but I have to get this off my chest — seeing the interior of your Bounder and then going back to perusing just 1-2 year old class A’s is just so depressing. I think I could have been reasonably satisfied with a 1980’s fabric print — the print All manufacturers seem to use — until I saw yours. Now I realize how unsat the stock fabrics really are. Sheesh. Thanks a lot.
Nikki Wynn
Sorry, I know its a mostly ugly RV world out there. Maybe check out some of the new Winnebagos? They sometimes have some better interiors.
AlainCh
Yes, no fixed carpet on the floor !!
(moquettes for european ppl)
Easier to clean.
You can use a small carpet as a mat, then clean it or dich it , but you cannot really do it on a carpeted floor :-((
and….
You can wash the floor, just in case somebody spill the milk !! :-))
Tanks for your good Work, Your positive approach!!
( that’s helping me in a hard time of my life!! )
Amanda
Where to start?
Hi Jason/Nikki! We are in the final steps of buying our Fleetwood Bounder 35k and hitting the road full-time.
We are definitely interested in all the upgrades you did (really, all of them) but wanted to get your opinion on the order of things you suggest. Reality is, we can’t put down that big chunk of change all at once so we will have to do some at a time.
We will be living/working full-time in ours too so anything you think we would benefit from doing “right off the bat” and those that can wait a bit would be helpful.
We will need to stay in mostly connected sites for a bit as we get our bearings.
Love you guys, love the blog…THANK YOU!
Amanda & Chris (from Seattle)
Jay
Jason, I thought I saw a recent video or web page where you were talking about a “smart charger” or a “4 stage charger”. I thought it was yellow….i think! Would you mind directing me to that video?
Thank you, and love what you guys have done!!
Jay
Nikki Wynn
Hey Jay! I know you asked Jason but I am responding to comments today so you get me instead. 🙂 It is a smart charger: https://www.gonewiththewynns.com/RV-Smart-Converter-Charger
Carri
We just bought a brand-new RV, it’s our third one. Our last one was just getting too old and on this 4 week trip from NY to Florida we had to let it go. We had some mechanical problems and since we are thinking of driving out west in a few months we decided we need new and reliable. Last year we looked into buying a new RV but felt the designs had gotten worse instead of better. The first example of that is the dinettes where the bench seats are so tight, a heavy person could not even scoot in there! Also, we used to have a shelf behind the sofa, now there is just a space on most models. However, we felt forced to buy and luckily we feel we did pretty well. Still we have suggestions. We bought a 2016 Class A, Georgetown 30X3 by Firest River. The issue with the dinette is present, but we can scoot in, we’d still like to suggest more space between the diner and the table. We also miss having storage over the table. That’s gone now. Worse not better. We do have s nice drop down extra bed over the driver seat but less storage and poor lighting there. They gave us s nice big medicine cabinet but no shelves! Worse not better. The bed only slides out, in our old unit the bed and hallway in front of bathroom all slid out. Worse not better. Of course the vehicle is newer and there are improvements but we still need much tweaking. We have no desk, less storage, less electrical outlets no shelving, and no mirrors except the bathroom mirror. Why put an outlet under the dinette where you have to crawl in to use it? Why not put it just above the table? Ok so now we have a king size bed but not night table of nylons nor do I have a place to walk on my side. I crawl or slide out of the end of the bed! The shades are not dual with room darkening like our older unit but the TV is bigger. I did get a nice long counter space but a smaller fridge! We also now have an outdoor kitchen that’s nice but 4 less big drawers in the bedroom. Yes, I would love to have custom designed my $100,000.00 unit! Lol! I miss my old baby.
Bill
One last thing. In the bedroom I ripped out the carpet and put Marmoleum. Carpet with pets and places with sand and dirt is just a place to catch it.
Have you ever thought of using your black water tank to catch rainwater and use that for flushing and washing?
Composting toilets should be standard.
Bill
They wonder why only really old people go rving.
The colors and patterns they want to sell aren’t even in people’s grandparents houses anymore.
Your choices are great. It’s a shame the didn’t let you pick nicer cabinets.
An induction cook top would be nice.
I love the Road Trek ETrek but it’s way too small for the price.
I have only had a diesel pusher that was almost 20 years old. The sad thing is most new RVs don’t look anymore modern than the one I had.
I’m not sure your gas RV will last 20 years.
After all the upgrades for a better ride and less noise how much did those cost?
I hope you are using a good synthetic oil and trans fluid. In a gas RV your really going to need them.
Chris Barclay
I like some of your ideas… I think the floor could look more natural. I think that most of the A’s look too much alike. Tacky. Why can’t we get as hip as the Europeans? I think that the only company that gets it right is Airstream.
Hey America…. Less Is More!
Fred
So much better like this ! And more European style 😉 just would go for aluminum color appliances for the microwave and ideally a induction cooktop… And I am not fan of the black frame of the Windows.
A guy from Switzerland
Rhonda
Your design is so much better than the standard. The RV industry styles are so tacky and not at all current. I love the sleek Ikea style cabinets too bad they won’t give you that as a choice.
Jason Wynn
And that is why we call the industry a “dinosaur”. One day they will catch up, it just might take a while.
Charles
I really enjoy your videos, I wish they would bring the cupboards up to a newer look too, the older 70-80 style look is just so old now and any wood paneling is just so out of date, I really don’t understand why you cant design your own anyway you want if your the one paying for it
Chris Oman
I really like your custom designed motorhome with the color schemes, outside and inside. Looking at your custom designed coach, I like everything you picked. Great Job and I’m sure you will enjoy living in it. Yes, no doubt, I’d be interested in a motor coach like it. I agree on the cabinet door style, etc.. Although I have never considered a Bounder, I have a couple of friends who have them are are pretty happy with them.
Charlie
Thanks for the quick reply. I’ve looked at IKEA online but never found anything like them. The closest
IKEA is 3.5 hours away. Would you know the name of it or what department it was in? I might be able to call and see if they still carry it before I make that long drive. Thanks you and safe travels.
Nikki Wynn
I got them several years ago so I don’t remember the name but it was in the kitchen organizing area.
Charlie
Could you please tell me a brand or source for the metal storage bins on the back of your stove in the custom-designed 2016 Bounder? I have been looking forever for storage like that. Thank you.
Nikki Wynn
I picked those up at ikea! lots of great RV friendly stuff there.
Brandon
Dear RV industry,
Make RVs that look like swanky downtown lofts. I don’t want to bring a date home to grandma’s house or something that looks like it was sponsored by food stamps.
Thanks,
Guy in his 30s who works remotely and has some steez
Dan
Since watching some of your videos and doing some other research, the Bounder looks like a solid alternative to a DP. People who have them seem to overwhelmingly love them. One thing I haven’t noticed in any of your videos is a discussion about GVWR/OCCC, etc. We’re planning on full-timing sometime in the not-to-distant future, so we need to bring “our stuff.” What has your experience been with weight?
Jason
Hello Wynn’s! I love what you did with your new motorhome and I really hope the Motorhome Industry pays close attention to shall I say what “Functional Classy” means. I have been watching your informative videos for a few months now I been studying, reviewing, and going over motorhome after motorhome myself when I finally decided on the Fleetwood Bounder Model as being my primary living quarters in about three years time as I find living in a fixed human unit (house) terribly boring. The changes you incorporated into your Bounder should be the new style for 2017 and beyond as I believe this particular model and brand is PERFECT in every way.
Jason Wynn
Thanks! Fleetwood has incorporated many of our changes in the 2016.5 model update they’ve launched as the “30th anniversary” edition.
Sandra & the 2 Spaniels
I took another look at the changes you made. Bravo! One person said that you took it from retirement home to sleek modern apartment, and it’s true! I have been viewing RV’s from many manufacturers and am appalled at the “frump” that is in brand new ones! Airstream finally got the hint and had the husband of Dwell Magazine editor redesign their trailers. They are beautiful inside now. Of course, an Airstream is a different animal. I prefer my dogs and I in the same space-driving, versus hauling. Your RV is just gorgeous! And I want a composting toilet too!
Lottie
My husband and I plan on retiring and traveling across the USA and Canada. We have been going to RV shows and shopping online. We seem to always refer to the interior design as well as the exterior paint jobs as very gaudy Las Vegas look. My home interior style is clean, minimilistic with earth tone almost non color. Why would I want to go from that to “Gaudyzilla”, yikes! I’ve been looking at older RV’s just so I can gut them out and have a more modern clean look, especially the cabinets. I love the look of your RV, but I agree with you, no carpet, and please Fleetwood get with it and offer some modern cabinets without all the details.
Nikki Wynn
Yes, sadly if you really want something that looks good you either have to custom order (with the few manufactures that even offer that) or buy used and remodel. If you are up for the project, the remodeling can be fun and then you get to style it exactly like you want!
Sandra
So glad to see the RV industry responding to producing a better quality vehicle at a fair value. We’ve been following y’all since you started! Love the insight and professional reporting, and of course the humor!
We’re coming up on our two year anniversary of full timing, not ready to settle back into a sticks and bricks. We went to Prince Edward Island this summer and highly recommend taking the ferry from Nova Scotia and the Celebration bridge back. It is a must see magical Island. Thank you for all that hard work Nikki & Jason.
Mattie Clements
I LOVE LOVE LOVE your 2016 Model!! Its almost perfect as in 90% ! Of course that’s suiting my tastes.. As a young 54 yr.old I cant express just how much the older heavy design from the exterior paint to that awfully dated interior’s busy ,heavy fabric and window treatments etc…UGH..Now if only the cabinet choices were more smooth, clean line…wish they didnt have all the beveled panels..your taste in the color palette is on target..accents and accent colors choices are always best when left as an option to make it more personal…I think you both have chosen well from floor to storage and solar, desk, etc..As I always say …keep it..(or in this case) make it SIMPLE ELEGANCE! Fingers crossed that Fleetwood as well as all other RV manufacturers take notice and get on board…I will be wating and watching closely …And one last thing…Thank you both for sharing …
Enjoy your experiences and Safe Travels
Benny
Hello, I am wondering why the change from the Excursion to the Bounder? Was the excusrion full of issues or was it more personal taste? Thanks.
Nikki Wynn
Full explanation here: https://www.gonewiththewynns.com/story-behind-our-rv-design
Dean
We had an older 1992 Bounder as our first dip into the RV lifestyle, we travelled over 8,000 carefree miles in “Joey” (get it) a baby kangaroo. Anyway we loved Joey and he treated us right, we sold him last year and will be getting a brand new one soon. We have started the research and once again have turned to you for your great insights. Thankfully you are Bounder owners too! We love what you have come up with and are sad that you were unable to take it further. We have seen other options on the more expensive models that are now standard but please stop already with the outdated cabinets and finishes, you guys are on the right track. We would like to see a rustic barn-wood cabinet and those floors you picked out were perfect! Simpler is Better! It seems like cars and SUV’s have all got the clean elegant direction down pat, why not RV’s? Are you telling me that we should be using the same textures and finishes that were in my mom’s 1981 olds cutlass supreme for an RV in the year 2016? That car had burled walnut in the dash, different colored piping on the oversized vinyl seats, and bland puke color headliner, sound familiar? Why do we demand it on our personal vehicles but not in out RV’s? Something has to change – and thanks to you two maybe it will. Please Fleetwood let them design a 2017 Bounder Wynn 33′ RV from the ground up, keep it between $100-150K and watch the orders pile up. I know we would buy one in a second!
Nikki Wynn
Dean, I don’t know what else to say but…right on!
stacey
You two have been such an inspiration for the last couple of years! I’m taking the plunge THIS month to buy my very first RV to work full time on the road. It’s just me…and my 4 dogs. Yep..i said 4 🙂
2 big ones and 2 little ones. An adventure it will be 😉 A question about solar: In your survey, you asked how many of us would be willing to spend 5k on a complete wilderness (?) kit. I absolutely would! Do you know if this is in the plans to be offered in the very near future?
Thanks again to both of you! I’ll be blogging about my adventures in the aRfV for sure 😉
Nikki Wynn
Super exciting! We are trying to encourage solar options (at least pre-wire) from the factory level and while we will start to see more of it, it always takes a while for things to happen in the RV world. As for now, your most affordable option is to have solar added later at a reputable solar installer.
Briony
I know you mentioned earlier that there was one fabric choice you regretted–could you share which one it was? We’ll be ordering an RV soon with the Wynn design choices! 🙂
Darren
I would take your design any day of the week! I agree about the cabinets as well. As a cabinetmaker and an RV owner, I’ve never understood why the industry is stuck producing raised panel doors and elaborate trims in most models. Way too busy, way too dark for a small space. A simple shaker design or even a flat panel modern door design would look amazing in your new motorhome. Hopefully it’s something they will consider in the future. Again, great work on the changes you’ve made and thank you for helping move the industry in that direction.
JC
I am in the process of looking to buy my first motor home, I liked the Bounder very much as well as a few others but the only reason why I have not purchased one is because of the designs. I like the modern, clean and lighter look inside and completely dislike all of those crazy lines outside. Your design is exactly what I am looking for but only have been able to find in very expensive motor homes which are not worth the price and way out of my budget. Manufacturers should provide a more flexible design pallet for customer to choose from. Great job guys in your design, I would definitively buy one with that type of design.
lori
We have just started the preparations for going fulltime, but we are still a few years off. First, we love your blog. Thank you for all the “insider” information. Second, LOVE YOUR CHOICES! Especially the picture frames on the walls. My husband is a great photographer and I would love having the space to display his work. I do hope that not just Fleetwood but the industry as a whole will pay attention. We have even considered buying an older model Rv, having it gutted and rebuilt, just because the current choices are not great. The only thing I would add to your designs is the option to make the table top slide side to side. That way we could set it up as a real “desk” for my husband. He is planning on doing contract design work on the road and needs a real work space.
Keep pushing the dinosaurs into the future and thank you again for the information and inspiration.
Raivyn
Nice job on the design! Any chance you could list the specs of your design choices? I imagine most of your choices are in Fleetwood’s catalog, just not “off the rack”.
Nikki Wynn
hmm, there is not really a catalog to choose from sadly. That would make things much easier! Maybe give me a specific question like, what fabric is the bedspread and I can answer that but I want to make sure I am providing the information you are looking for.
Tonya
My husband and I have been exploring the RV market for a couple of years preparing for our leap from the Rat Race. We recently sold our boat, which has served as our “floating cabin” for the past three years. Our biggest frustration is how far behind in design style the RV manufacturers are as compared to the marine market. The majority of boat builders have turned their exterior and interior designs to clean, European lines with beautifully simple and modern fabrics. We have walked into so many RVs only to be confronted with florals, swirls, dark beveled cabinetry, wasted spaces, completely confusing floor plans, and tacky hardware. If Fleetwood can appeal to this new influx of a younger generation able to work remotely and, therefore, looking for a mobile office, they would reap the rewards of a new generation of loyal customers by being at the forefront of this change. I wish Airstream made a 35′ Class A. I wish I could find a Niesmann + Bischoff here in the states. Until then, I can only hold my breath so long before we have to make a purchase. I can only hope to find something that feels as light, efficient, airy and simple as my tiny bungalow. I want to have that same feeling when I walk into my new home on wheels.
Cornelius
Hi Tonya
I completely agree. We’ve changed the interior of our RV into a modern look, but for it, we have to change the floor, wood and walls.
We also changed this artificial plastic-leather called “genuine ultaleather” into real genuine leather. You have to find a good saddler in your region and for the wood just ask a boat builder (a good one).
Just one point: White leather seats looks really good and gives a spacious Feeling but strictly forget it if you wear blue-jeans. You will transfer the white surface into a light but dirty blue which you can’t wash out never again.
We’ve transferred the wooden galley into a powder coated steel galley. For this we simply ordered steel covers at our locksmith (laser cut and formed… you have to measure exactly) and put them over the wood (fixed with a two-part-epoxy-glue). Looks fantastic and it’s surprisingly easy how a pseudo chalet-style could be transferred into a modern kitchen. You have a big choice over all colors you want, even chrome or rust etc. as well there are no knobs anymore, just a small touch and the drawer opens itself an inch and also closes itself the last inch (you can buy such great mechanisms at a boatbuilder, remembers me always to the old tape racks soft-touch open and close…).
Some good adresses for ideas:
Scandinavian fabrics: https://us.marimekko.com/ or http://www.ikea.com
Bathrooms, kitchen: http://www.geberitnorthamerica.com, http://www.frankeusa.com
Drawers, galleys etc.: http://www.usm.com; http://www.forster-kuechen.ch; http://www.en.bulthaup.com
(and you’ll find out that everything which looks nice is expensive……)
Gina
LOVE the changes you made. We just started RV shopping for our 2nd motor home and find it so frustrating.
WHY oh why are the great windows on the NEIGHBOR side of almost every RV? You back into a space, the picnic table, awning, etc are all on the passenger side. BUT the big windows are opposite! Please give the manufacturers the feedback that buyers like to see nature, not neighbors!
Also, we LOVE having a dedicated bed that you don’t have to take apart every time you travel, but love being able to have other sleep arrangements. LOVE the drop down bed option. Do I see that you got that on your Bounder?
SO agree with you on color schemes! The crazy paint jobs are awful! I REALLY like what you’ve done with yours!
Also agree on the front storage and desk area! LOVE! And FLOORING! Who who want carpet when camping? Your floors look amazing! If we buy used, I’m so copying you! 🙂
Aana
Hi, have recently been to an RV event and while we found the RVs themselves amazing, we were struck by the god awful designs and tacky fixtures. You’ve managed to make it look less like a retirment home on wheels and more like a cosy apartment. The photos are a great personal touch. Love your youtube channel.
Hippie Gypsy
Hi Jason and Nikki,
We have contacted Fleetwood about ordering a 2016 33C Bounder with the “Wynn” package and are getting ready to obtain pricing from a few dealers. We are finalizing our selections, we had a few changes we were going to inquire about, such as pricing out dual induction cooktop, and getting different cabinet hardware etc…and we were just wondering if you could give us an update on how you are liking all of you interior design choices, how they are holding up with use, as well as your tech modifications. Anything you would do differently? Anything you can share is most appreciated!
Nikki Wynn
That is a great question and one that we are planning on answering very soon with a video update. There are a few things we would change and do differently (would swap out one of the fabrics, tweaks to desk designs, more substantial hardware…). As far as our tech mods, those are all fantastic especially the lithium batteries! Hope that helps until we get the video out with our thoughts. If you want lots more detailed info with suggestions it may be well worth it to book a chat session with us.
Hippie Gypsy
We would love to book a chat session, how do we go about doing that?
Hippie Gypsy
Hi Nikki,
We just placed our order for a bounder with the “Wynn Package” with a few modifications. We are really excited to see how it turns out! Thanks for blazing the trail for us.
Denise Smith
I think you’re really on track with trying to get them to upgrade colors! I am so tired of brown (!) and the new trend in grays and light creams should be a wonderful addition to the interior color lineup. The lighter colors would also give the interiors a more spacious feel. Keep encouraging the manufacturers to look into something besides brown and beige.
Meredith
When we bought our first camper, the first thing to come down were those awful window treatments. And then I recovered all the cushions. I don’t know who pics those out but they are always so ugly. Love the fabric choices you guys made and would defiantly love to see some new models like that!
You guys focus a lot on motorhomes, but what about the travel trailers and fifth wheels? I would love to see these features showing up in those models too. Especially the eco friendly features like water conservation and solar upgrades.
Ed
I like that dinette. But the reason I would think they get so few requests for that is when you select the LX package, which has a few nice upgrades, the dinette can no longer be selected. This is when using the “Build” function of the website. It does not say why, but select the LX pack and all the options shown below that are no longer selectable.
Jason Wynn
Ed,
We’ll shoot over an email and try to get the scoop on this particular issue.
Ed
Jason, one more question if you don’t mind. In a previous review I think you mentioned there was no vents in the bedroom area. Did they improve the duct work to add venting? Thanks for these videos. They help……a lot.
Jason Wynn
Hey Ed,
There is no Vent fan in the bedroom, I’m sure it can be added by any RV service center for a few hundred bucks.
Just to clarify, there is A/C ducting with vents in the ceiling so if you’re running the A/C there’s no issue with airflow.
Ed
Thanks for looking into that.
Feedback for Fleetwood:
This flooring looks fantastic. Option 1. Carpet Delete. Option 2. Carpet delete with flooring upgrade. I understand price point needs protection but it would be nice to have an option on the flooring.
Thanks Wynn’s!
Jason Wynn
Ed,
I just heard back from Fleetwood here’s what they said:
“It’s a web configurator glitch. There’s no restriction on the dinette option except for 830 facing/folding booth.”
They’ve noted the issue and hope to fix it.
Diane
Love your blog and love what you’ve done with the Bounder! We are about to embark on our first RV experience and have chosen to purchase a Fleetwood Discovery 37. The information in your blog was encouraging and helped us to become more educated consumers. I was so turned off by some of the frumpy layouts and appointments in many of the coaches (50+) that we looked at. Thanks for helping to move the RV industry designs into the current century and demographic 🙂
rachel
LOVE LOVE you guys, so honest, cute and environmentally friendly!.I want MORE rv mfrs. to make the environment a priority and use/offer environmentally friendly/natural materials, those that are not allerges like formaldehyde, solar and composting toilets as options. I tried to take your poll on your
conversions/questions but every time i answered a question it made me log in to gmail so i stopped. Thanks again for all the information you share with all of us, very helpful!. I am buying an RV soon and appreciate your videos.
namaste’, rachel
Nikki Wynn
Thanks so much for the feedback and sorry about the poll. That is a pain, I will take a look at the poll feature and see if I can turn that off.
Scott
You are definately on the right track- Your changes to the new Bounder take it from something I would look at and go eh… more of the same to wow this is nice. I like this way better!
-Scott
472 days till I get to travel full time…..
Reid
I enjoyed the video of your design changes. We have a 29 foot Terry trailer. I love modern (IKEA style) design and wish that RV manufacturers offered more modern design options. I think that sleek white cabinets would also look good.
Thanks so much for sharing! 🙂
Debbie
Hello, I really like your design changes- especially the table – how does that work with no legs??
Also, why do RV manufacturers waste money on those tacky bedspreads and curtains??
Keep up the good work. Happy travels!!
Doug Zona
Can I order a coach EXACTLY like yours (well, except for the composting toilet)? If so, how and where?
Great job on all your vids and content (not just this one). I always look forward to your next release.
Nikki Wynn
Thanks so much Doug! Fleetwood does have a custom order process and if you contact them they can help you out and guide you in the right direction. You can create a coach that fits you and your style and not be pushed into only what is available on a lot.
Charles Breed
missing a bit of the details regarding some of the upgrades
Jason Wynn
What are you missing?
Jules
Just wanted to say that I thought you guys did a fantastic job with your custom designed Bounder considering the limitations that were given to you by Fleetwood. I think it is a major improvement over the dated design practices and ideologies that are synonymous with Fleetwood products (and some other RV manufacturers). Furthermore, shame on Fleetwood for not letting you go all the way with your design. If someone from Fleetwood is reading this, if you are going to give someone the ability to design their own interior, why then tie there hands, especially with something as simple as cabinetry? If your cabinet manufacturer could not quickly produce a simple shaker style door even, then time to hire a new manufacturer (don’t make it like it would have been a big deal, I remodel homes so I know). Jeez, It’s not like they were asking to re-engineer the chassis frame. Your raised panel real wood cabinets and stains are dated, period…while I’m on the subject, so is your backsplash, fabrics and flooring (that’s what you came up with for 2016? really?). Have a look at your competitors like Airstream (not successful enough for you?)…even Winnebago is smartening up and getting into some more modern, streamlined cabinet designs through their cabinet manufacturer Technoform. Anyway, awesome job Jason and Nikki…shame on you Fleetwood, way to ruin an experiment that would have otherwise probably proven to be very successful. sorry for the rant, just my opinion.
Jason Wynn
Thanks for the words of encouragement for us and the RV mfrs! It’s time for better design…we should have come up with a cheeky hashtag.
Nikki Wynn
We are soo with you! We would’ve really loved to do more but we took what we could get. We are hoping that when we present all this feedback, it will help move things along at a faster pace. If not with fleetwood, then at least with the other manufactures. We just want to see better options out there! Thanks so much for your honest feedback as it does help add to the consumer advocacy we’re trying to push for!
Jeff Chandler
Hello,
I hope all is well on your Alaska trip. I don’t want to take up too much of your time but I should probably give you a bit of background. My wife and I (and our lab) are out full time and have been for the last three or so months. We went with a travel trailer just to see what features we like, dislike, want, need, and hate. Of all the blogs out there, yours is probably the one I connected to most. Unfortunately, we don’t get to choose where we travel as we tour with a Broadway show. That being said, we have a pretty good idea of what we want in our new home, the only major decision we have left is the big one, gas or diesel. Most of our travel occurs overnight due to the fact that we have to be in the next city on time to load in the show. With your experience with diesel and now with gas, over the course of the next five years, in all honesty, which would the smarter choice in regards to reliability, service, comfortability, fuel costs, and power? Most of the layouts we found we liked were gas but I keep thinking about all the miles we’re going to be putting on the engine along with towing the car. I do apologize for my long-windedness and I look forward to your thoughts. Thanks again!
Best regards,
Jeff and Chanda Chandler
Hal Lucas
When in Scottsdale, AZ, have high tea at the Phoenician, it is wonderful.
Robert Guild
My vote for including lithium batteries, a composting toilet, solar power, internet and cell phone enhancements is dependent on quality of installation and no more cost than after market suppliers. I plan on spending full time RV living with a substantial time wild camping in New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado, Utah, California, Wyoming, and Montana.
Daniel Kealy
Jason and Nikki,
Been enjoying your trip to Alaska, WE did the Ice Fields, Banff and Jasper 8 years ago. Loved every minute of the trip. I do have some questions for you though.
My wife and I will start our full time experience in two years. I will be traveling to many of the historical sites to record lessons on location. With that said i would like to know what you use to record your videos and what microphone setup you have used? We are excited about this new adventure and can’t wait to get started. We are ordering a Tiffin Allegro Red 33AA.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Dan Kealy
Paul Green
We’ve been RVing in an Arctic Fox TT for the past 13 years and every time it’s replacement time we shop and shop and say the exact same thing you guys have said, “Why do RVs look so bad (horrible, dated)?” Your changes are the same ones we’d make. Lambrequins????? How did something so ugly become the norm? We’re selling the TT right now and buying a Class C – truth is we only like about 70% of the design. But 70% likability is pretty darn good for an RV. We would love to have a chance to improve the design like you both did with the new RV. If we were in the market for a Class A, we’d go with the Bounder and order it just like the Wynn’s.
Stan
Hi, We are in the process of ordering a 33C in the same (mostly) style as yours. I think your design cues will really catch on and Fleetwood may have to offer a Wynn Package in the near future! Thanks for the awesome work!
Skylar
Are you going to name this one?
AJ
I LOVE LOVE LOVE the design changes you made. Love the floor, colors, pillows, piping, everything. I don’t mind the beveling on the cabinets too much because you have those nice handles but even simpler on there would look good. Please Fleetwood STOP designing like you’re from the 90s! You make such excellent products, why not allow for more modern design options alongside your more traditional swirls?
Dear Wynns, if you have any pull with them, I would also like to ask them to include an option that has double recliners (like in fifth wheels) instead of couches. I know a lot of families buy RVs but a lot of young couples and trendy older couples do too and they don’t need seating/sleeping arranges for 8 people in a 33 foot RV. I just want a couple of comfy recliners in front of a big TV for those rainy days when a movie or a good book would be perfect. I personally don’t even need a table, just a couple of desks, space for office chairs, and a couple of recliners. Throw in a w/d and you have a perfect RV.
Gail Reese
You should have expanded more on the gas vs diesel choice. Need to ask why diesel or gas. We chose diesel not because like diesels but they hold remakes value better, carry more weight (very important to us!), and handle the hills. If they could make a gas rig with a higher cargo capacity we would seriously consider gas.
Also why not ask how much cargo capacity and weight do you need. We would like to carry at least 5000 lbs of cargo and not be limited to the 2200 we can carry now.
Mike
Do really like your Layout and colors. For your questions, would love to see a option for a oversized black tank. Also better isolated windows and walls. Not talking about some glass fiber marts pushed into into the walls and calling it winter package.
Good job
Dana Ticknor
While all new rvs are ‘pretty’, this one does not offer a good ‘flow’ for traffic. The couch on that side of the table cuts off communication, and makes it difficult to visit with company, as well as the ‘cook’ to be involved with the rest of the family while working in the kitchen. It also makes the front seats non-usable for housing company (we love having lots of people around! lol.)
Flow would be so much better had the couch and dinette been switched, and the sink slide been flipped. Continuity would abound, and guests would not have to walk through the kitchen to get to the living/visiting area, as well as the couch not sticking out in the pathway making the area seem smaller and causing a point of congestion. Just my 2 cents. 😀
Nikki Wynn
So funny, because we love the layout! The sofa extension doesn’t have to be out (with it in I can do yoga no problem) but we do agree there could be a swap so that the living area would be upfront so the captains chairs could be a part of it. That is in my notes to them. Thanks for chiming in!
James F.
(cut and paste from my FB comment)
Really like your design changes, very much my taste. The manufacturers tart things up way too much. Your taste is nice, simple and a lot less likely to seem dated very quickly. I have two major pet peeves with RV manufactures in general; ovens should be standard (I refuse to own a microwave), and they should not be so dependant on “slides” to allow them to design comfortable coaches – I constantly wonder how, when I’m ready to upgrade, am I going to get a decent RV that doesn’t have any slides smile emoticon Back in the late 80’s there were a lot of very nice, comfortable coaches that didn’t have slides (foretravel for one).
Nikki Wynn
ha ha, nothing wrong with a little cut and paste action!
Shay
So how do you feel about driving the gas RV, now that you’ve had it a while now?
Kevin
I am part of the old crowd and do not care for the interiors offered in the class A gas coaches anymore than the youthful customer. We purchased our Bounder new in 1993 for a variety of reasons, but will state those which fit the theme of your video. The Bounder did not have the etched glass cabinet doors with the Faux brass colored plastic trim, which was popular in that time period. The basement model design, not for the extra storage but the elimination of the step up to the cockpit area, so those riding behind did not feel like they were in the basement.
Interesting that you eliminated the lamberkin treatment on the side of the windows reverting back to the style of my dated Bounder, which only has the valance above the window. When browsing new rvs my thoughts are what tasteful manner could I employ to cover the screw holes after removing the side treatment. The wall coverings that were used in our ancient Bounder are neutral in tone and devoid of graphics.
Our Bounder or Flounder as we affectionately refer to it, has all cloth fabric furniture including the captain chairs. The 22 year old fabric which has endured not only time, but 200k miles of travels and is in near perfect condition. The covers not only show no noticable wear, not a single sewn seem has failed. Our experience contradicts the position of Fleetwood.
I prefer prefer plenty of glass in an rv to enjoy the views and provide natural ventilation without the noise of air conditioners and generators. The large window at the headboard of your Bounder is nice, why cannot Fleetwood offer the option of side windows in the this same slideout. Waking up to or relaxing in bed with a wall in my face feels claustrophobic. Some rvs offer no windows in the bedroom at all unless the slideout is deployed. In the years after we purchased the Flounder we noticed a trend to less glass in the bedrooms. Rear windows vanished to simulate the look of diesel models except in the low end gas lineup, as if no window is a sign of wealth. Entering the bedrooms of later model rvs was like entering a sarcophagus, I will be in one of those soon enough. I would think there must be a price point where this option would be lucrative to Fleetwood, especially since it is very small details which motivate a buyer to choose one model or brand over another. Buyers do not seem to be shy opening their wallets for options. The plentiful windows of the living area slide, creating a bright solarium is a nice feature of the new Bounder.
Interesting that the Bounder again has brought back the 100 gal. fresh water tank, an update that catches the 2016 up with my ’93 reptile. This was a surprise since such a small fraction of owners boondock, conversely we have never stayed in a rv park and appreciate this reversion to the past.
Since we have been actively browsing for a replacement Class A rv, I have queried Fleetwood through their website, on matters as simple as deleting the window treatments and audacious as adding side windows to the bedroom slide as an option. Surprisingly they have never bothered to reply as they feast on robust sales. Perhaps during the next famine they will be motivated to respond to trouble makers such as myself.
My compliments on your website, Your videos are very professional, due to your enthusiastic and expressive personalties. Fleetwood made a deft move employing your talents to present their product.
Linda jones
Absolutely love your style and hoping rv builders will listen. We have only been in a motorhome for two years and need I say more, you have been invaluable to us in making decisions.
Thank you for your hard work that is making it happen!
Ours is a 2015, and the first thing i did was theow away the brand new bedspread! Lol, things are looking better with my small changes. Hate my dark walls tho. We need another solar panel and two more batteries as well! Barely get thru the night with 580w.
Your
Pamela
* Euro design cabinets. I love the Aussie designs.
Pamela
ALOHA Wynn’s ! I love your choices. With your cool flooring a lighter / Euro design ( like on the new Navion) would look awesome. I love those high class knobs that you push in to unlock. I would surely by an RV that used bamboo for the floors & cabinets ! Slide outs w/side windows a must everywhere.
I would love to see huge windows in the kitchen, I don’t need a backsplash. And an induction cook top . Have you ever thougut about a sky light that opens in the shower ? I LOVE the drop down bed too, no need for an airbed if they would put a thick memory foam there. More pass through’s please for large toys & pop up screen room(s) like the one from Quest.
How are you all doing w/o your w/d ? Will you all be at the Pomona RV Show ? Aloha Oi from Maui.
RJ
Wynn’s – I do like all the new changes, but could use more to complete the couch. I do like all the lighter colors. Makes it feel bigger. I do like the new floor. Yes, I would carry it through the bedroom too. They make nice throw rugs for comfort & looks. I would still like to have the window side panels. The same stlye as the valance”s you chose. To keep the side light out & will still give it a clean custom look. I don’t like seeing all the dark window frames. I do like the leather look sectional, more seating and the table with chairs, for more counter storage space. Would put the new glass covered 3 burner cook top in. to give more work pace. Bedroom slide out needs the side windows. I like looking to look out when I’m just waking up or I can see the front door area when I just lay down to rest on the camp side. You always want more windows on your camp side, so you can see the great views !
If the industry would make these interior colors & changes, they would have a Best Leader & Seller.
Its time for change and the baby boomers are out to buy. Who ever does these changes, I’m in front of the line to buy.
mike
The pedestal sink looks cool but it’s not practical. Very little horizontal real estate on which to put stuff.
I have to say in looking at the stock pics vs your custom design, the changes are subtle. Matter of personal preference.
Toogrumpy
I like your new coach, expect for bedroom carpet, and hate the window at the head of the bed, stupid. Big hole for heat/cooling, who’s going to look out it? No one! Who wants to lean against curtains and window to read or watch? Should have side windows in the slide for ventilation, pet peeve!
Nikki Wynn
We agree on both accounts. 🙂
Sandy Seward
We just bought our first RV because of your story and have caught up on your journey over the past 6 months. We defentally agree with your design ideas. We are unable to go all out on a motorhome and would like to see more of these options in TT and Toy Haulers. We got a TH because of the versatility it offered. I wish more manufactures understood the needs of the customers of today.
Bill Root
So you know…I would buy the coach you guys designed….I WOULD NOT buy the standard coach from them.
Marvin Huston
Need to have cup and map holders on driver/passager side window area, on 2016 Bounder 35 k.
Glenn
Love your changes!
Cabinets! Cabinets! Cabinets!………. Bounded needs to listen to you guys and come away from the wood, dark side!
Jay
I love the changes you guys were allowed to make, you did a great job on them. However the main change that needs to be made in practically every single RV there is and which you weren’t allowed to make – is the cabinets. The cabinets set the tone for the RV, there’s no point in having nice floors or valences if the thing that grabs most of your attention is dark old fashioned cabinets.
The only style I’ve ever seen to my taste in RVs is the Airstream Serenity with the light coloured upholstery options. It’s the only RV I could live in without feeling depressed all the time.
Scott
Have you named the new RV yet?
Mark V
I understand them not giving you full reign, as this is not a small boutique operation, and therefore any changes have got to be both realistically affordable and doable on a large scale. That said, I really like what you were able to accomplish given these constraints. I too would have liked to see more modern cabinetry, and deletion of the existing carpet. I’m curious about whether you went with a gas or propane generator.
BobB
Seems like everyone is noticing the difference between what you really wanted and what Fleetwood was willing to do.
Maybe the underlying reason is that they are leasing it to you, i.e. they get it back in a year and need to re-sell it, and they got nervous about too many “changes” to their product. Obviously, they don’t think what you wanted would sell (based on their market research). Too bad for them – just look at the new designs from Roadtrek, LeisureVan and others.
If you had bought it outright, you may have gotten them to do whatever you wanted. What do you think?
Nikki Wynn
The reason we were limited on changes is due to the fact that this is a factory not a custom built operation. Changing layouts and cabinets requires things to be re engineered and that requires a lot of time and money. We completely understood but that is why the polls exist. If we can prove more people want a new look (and new cabinets) then we can convince them to make an overall change in production beyond this one product and just us.
BobB
Understand the limits of changes they can make, given their production setup. Your “new” look definitely is different than from their standard choices. So much cleaner, open and less “fussy”. But I see your small, horizontal tile backsplash has made it into the 2016 Bounders!
So the real challenge is “how to prove it?” and what is the best way to do that? My comment in my other post about using just words without images to describe styles in the polls was my response to their comment “we are not talking contemporary – in any stretch of the imagination”. So what are they talking about?
Show me photos of their Bounder and your Bounder and I pick yours. No words needed. Maybe you should show up at some RV shows, along with the standard Bounders, and get feedback there, direct from potential customers. Just an idea.
BobB
Enjoyed your videos on the new RV, process, etc.
Can definitely see the “hesitation” on part of the Fleetwood designers to change their formula, but having been in the design field for about 40 years (architecture/landscape architecture), can understand that. But success often comes from rule #1 “first we listen (to the client)” and #2 “don’t be afraid to change”.
Liked the palette you came up with – nice approach. Think the cabinet doors would have been more “contemporary” or “modern” if they were “full-overlay” and “flat panel” (easier to clean, by the way) rather than the frame and inset panel style. Look at new Class B’s from Winnebago, Roadtrek (the size of which appeals to younger RVer’s (FitRV for example)
Which brings me to another point – what is “modern”, “scandinavian”, “contemporary”, etc. ??
Your online questionnaire concerning styles would have been helped with images for each of those styles. Most people have very varying ideas of what those terms mean (IMHO)
Keep up the great work; looking forward to more photos, reports, etc. Want to know more of the systems – energy, waste treatment, lighting – in your new RV.
Eddie
I have a 2014 Bounder 33C. I like the change in the bedroom where they moved the TV up and have a second window across from the bed. I would like to see windows on both ends of both slides but especially in the bedroom. I personnel like to have the windows open and feel the night air.
I would also like to see them offer a sofa option and do away with the “L” sofa. Like has been said on some site it is a lot of steel and very little flex.
It also appears they have moved the propane tank and have much more storage where it was. In my opinion that would be an ideal place for a larger battery bank.
They did miss the mark by removing the cup holders under the driver and passenger windows. Also it appears the jack controller is up and down which might be harder to operate.
I also do not like the crank out windows. They do not appear to open as wide as my slide windows.
Nikki Wynn
Hey Eddie! We like lots of windows to and we really love these crank out style of windows. We can leave them open during a rain and everything doesn’t get wet and we still have lots of airflow.
The jack controller has been very easy to operate.
We love our L sofa and the layout a lot…much better than any other coach we have ever had.
Dale
At least you made baby changes. I don’t like the company when they say they have no interest in going contemporary and modern. I thought that was why you did this design project. That is what I wanted to see which was something new. I hate all RV exterior striping and I just want a solid paint color and they should had let you pick your own cabinets. I don’t like the cabinets you have now. Still looks dated. I like the style Leisure Travel Van uses. This was a test for the company and they should had let you experiment throughout the coach. I thought they would let you to think “outside of the box”. That is how a company grows with the times. To me the RV industry is stuck in a time warp. I do like your fabric and flooring picks. I hope this RV company reads this comment and allows you to redesign another coach.
Kyle
Hey guys, I was wondering if you had seen the recent Tesla announcement of the PowerWall and if you thought it may have a possible future in custom RV wild camping applications: http://www.teslamotors.com/powerwall
They are a bit large, but could potentially replace all of the traditional house batteries in an RV. Just curious if you had thoughts.
Thanks,
~Kyle
Neal Davis
I would have liked one more size range for the length of the RV. Our plans are to buy a 42 or 43 footer, depending on whose we end up buying (we’ll be recently retired and traveling with our dog, so we likely need personal space into which we can retreat if necessary). You and my wife are on the same page regarding the graphics on the side; she hates the swirls. Possibly the one we buy will be the choice with the fewest swirls on it. I really like your flooring, furniture, and window treatment choices, although I might prefer something along the side of the windows. Having lithium batteries, composting toilet, solar package, and cell/wifi booster options would be great. Pre-wiring for the latter two would be good, too.
Ann
Have you decided on a name for your new RV yet? When I saw the title, resurrecting dinosaurs, one thought was to name it “Dino” as in this is more of an anti-Dino RV & a play on words. (Think Flintstones “Dino” was the pet dog), LOL.
Love the colors & clean lines of this RV, light, bright, simple. I’ve loved Danish/Swedish design furniture for 30 years & always wondered why RV’s couldn’t have the same aesthetic. Glad you are out there pushing their boundaries and their comfort zones. It’s one reason we are going with a Leisure Travel Van, for clean lines & top quality. We won’t be full timing, so the size is just right.
Stan
Great layout and design ideas. Like the simplified look. Also like the light color upholstery and countertops against the dark woods. I disagree with Nikki on the sconce simply because it’s nice to have a single light against rather than having to turn on all the light in the coach, even if they are dimmable. Seems like a waste. Agree with vinyl or ceramic floor covering throughout the non-slider portions of the coach. Your design of cleaner lines throughout the coach is spot on (even in the paint scheme – RV’s aren’t just for retirees anymore) and your color palette and design cues in the bedroom are more appealing than stock. I hope they keep your designs and incorporate them into the options. Looking forward to the tech portion of your design reveal. Great work!!!
Bruce Venanzi
Not your normal upbeat video! From watching your previous video when you were working with Bounder and now this one – I don’t think they gave you much leeway in the design at all…and it clearly comes across in this most recent video. I recall hearing the phrase “…and that’s just sad” a number of times. I truly hope you like the RV more than what came across in the video! I do understand your choice to go with a gas engine vice diesel. The price premium for a diesel just can’t be made up by the majority of RV’ers. Keep making your young – upbeat videos; we really enjoy them (independent of our age!)
Teresa
HUGE improvement. I especially love the floors and removal of all those tacky elements like the little fabric designs on the valences and bed. Agree that flat cabinets would be a huge improvement as well. Love the floor you choose and agree that it should be continued into the bedroom. It looks great! My only addition, and it may be cost prohibitive, is to add SIMPLE color choices for those of us who love color in our rooms. For example, I’m was lucky enough to get to desing a very small RV/van with Sportsmobile and had lots of color choices for the chairs, so I could choose colors I love and have a pop of color. But maybe that would be too much to allow for custom color choices. Personally I don’t like “neutral.” But I’d take it any day over those swirly patterns and shiny crazy fabrics I’ve seen in other RVs!
Drew
Hello Nikki and Jason,
In the video, Jason mentions “new chassis”, can you tell me who makes it?
Thanks!
Jacque Burkhalter
LOVE the clean lines and neutral colors. I am in the process of sewing valences that look very similar to yours…I’m glad to see they’re going to look fabulous! Now if I could just get my partner to remove the side thingies like you did.
And I totally agree with the excessively gaudy exteriors…I feel like I’m riding in a circus train. I’d like to hear more about the lights; are they a warm tone or white? In your video they look a little to bright white to me…but of course, hard to tell via video. As to cabinet doors, Shaker/Craftsman style would be less expensive I think; they could be thinner material with a heavier edge vs overall thicker cabinet faces. Thanks for a fabulous “tour”!
Kate Gilbert
I think the changes you made are definitely a great step forward. Thanks so much for leading the charge!! Iain and I talk about this a lot and I keep saying it’s not so much about age as an appreciation for design. Some of us just care, and don’t want to spend our time in Grandma’s house. Generally I think the RV designers need to take a walk through a West Elm or Crate and Barrel store to see what appeals to a mass market who appreciate design.
The things I would include that weren’t covered in your survey.
Colors, fabrics, countertops: Even though I agree with neutrality – I’d like to see the manufacturers pick a coordinated scheme. So often I see modern/grey black tiles with a beige countertop. Why not choose a white/grey tone counter instead. Go brown tones, or grey tones not both.
Agree on cabinet design. Simple clean flat design. That is all.
Fabrics: There are lots of durable upholstery fabrics that could be used for sofas, why always cream leather, or swirly patterns. They should check out Bo-Concept or Room and Board for sofa fabric that is modern and robust.
Overall I like a neutral palette, but I worry that RV designers read that as beige!
Walt
I do like the look of your custom Bounder. However, it would be nice to know a few practical things, such as how difficult is it to keep the furniture clean. It seems to me that lighter covered fabrics would be more apt to show dirt and would be harder to clean.
Also, some of your questions give an either/or choice without addressing differences in cost or space. The one I am thinking of is the refrigerator options you ask about. While I would certainly like to have more room for cold storage, I might not want it at the expense of pantry storage for dry goods. I assume (perhaps in error) that getting the larger residential refrigerator would come at the expense of either a pantry or linen/clothes storage area. Perhaps you can address such thngs when you discuss the technology in your custom coach. Thanks! Looking forward to the next installment.
Bob & Irmie
As Bounder owners, we really like the changes you and Fleetwood have made to this coach. Less is more and simple is better. We love the table and chairs vs the booth dinette. Less carpet is great, no carpet is the best. We hate that huge window over your bed (a deal killer for us) we have small windows of each side of our slideout. We did not see your shower but hope it is upgraded to a one piece fiberglass unit ( our two piece leaks). Keep those videos coming we really enjoy them.
Bob
I was happy to see the changes and upgrades Fleetwood has made in the 2016 Bounder. My wife and I also really like the design choices you made. The floor, the lighter solid surface counter tops, the backsplash, the smaller cabinet hardware, the linen look wall covering, losing the contrast piping on the sofa, and the bedroom fabrics. Great job! Your coach reminds me of a boutique hotel suite. We too would opt for simpler cabinet door styles. Not sure whether I would prefer a simple craftsman style door or European. A dull or matte finish on the cabinets would also be a nice change. We too would opt for the credenza and table rather than the booth. Overall definitely a move in the right direction. Looking forward to hearing more about your experiences with the new coach. Keep up the good work.
Druid Priest
Is it cost-prohibitive to use electronic tinting for windows rather than pull-down blinds?
smarttint.com/
Any thoughts other than cost that makes this “not” an option?
Wade
On the polling question of solar options, I thought there should be a package where pre-installed wireways (maybe plastic conduits) run from the roof to the battery compartment, is pre-installed when the coach is built. There would be access at the roof (a sealed cap that could be removed when the system is installed) and the conduit needs to be large enough to accommodate large cable in the 2 ought range. This way, the owner can choose the wire size to run. My impression is that most pre-wired solar systems are undersized and reduces options of the type of solar systems one can install. A larger battery compartment for this option package to allow for at least six 6-volt golf cart batteries. This should then give the option to install AGM’s or Lithium in the same compartment as an option if higher tech battery is desired. RV manufacturers are good at building RV and not necessarily Solar systems.
Mike
Great job on the poll. One footnote, in your question about residential fridge vs. traditional gas absorption RV fridge, you state that “they cost the same….”. Actually residential fridges, even this big honk’n 22.5 CF versions, cost considerably less than even an 8.0 CF gas absorption variety.
On the design front – we personally like the lighter colors of fabric, however they tend to be less forgiving with the inevitable dirt that finds its way into an RV. As for the exterior, it’s hard to tell if it’s full body paint or colorized gelcoat. Our Georgetown is gelcoat and while it’s looks pretty decent, I’d much prefer full body paint, as the graphics will lift and blister in time. Also, unless Fleetwood has changed the 2016 model, most of their gassers have TPO roofs intead of the more durable fiberglass roofs. It looks like Fleetwood finally started installing the very classy frameless windows. Not only do they look great, but they tend to not streak as bad as the traditional sliding windows with rubber gaskets.
Great job…look forward to more info.
I have to ask…are you missing the ride quality of the DP over the bouncy springs of the gasser?
Our next RV will be a DP if for no other reason, the ride quality.
Kaypee
Wow, just wow. I didn’t realize how tacky RV interiors appeared until I saw the improved bounder.
I love having a pace for art once the wall sconces are ditched. The window treatments make a small space feel even smaller. The simplification looks much better. My travel trailer has day/night honeycomb shades; I actually think I’d prefer them over the pull down shades in the bounder since the side strings would help hold the shade to the window blocking light more effectively.
They really need to do European looking slab fronted cabinets to further update and clean up the look. It would be far less visually cluttered. Hint, that look seems to be VERY popular with Airstream buyers. So there is a demand for it, and those customers are shopping elsewhere.
The next thing I’d add would be to have a small remote control console for the lights instead of the current, fixed panel.
I have pets that travel with me as well, so like you, carpet is a very impractical choice. I prefer the vinyl over ceramic tile and those laminate vinyl planks are lovely.
Kaypee
Again, I have a travel trailer. Although not a perfect solution, my Lance has a step up to the slide out. So they were able to avoid using carpet and produced a very practical little unit.
Johanna
Hello, those are great changes! It looks so much cleaner and brighter. I was wondering, considering your faiblesse for cleaner styles, if you have ever checked out the Winnebago Brave? We are planning our first RV road trip but we are searching for an RV online from overseas, so we cannot see the US Rvs in person just yet. Judging from what we see online the Brave seems to be the least ugly option out there. Have you possibly seen it live? Is it nice?
Thanks for a great informative website!
Trish
I was looking at the new Brave also. Winnebago is doing some really cool things with their class C line. I really like the Trend 23L and the View 24J and Navion. They are pricey but if you get one from one or two years old they price isn’t that bad. I like the Brave because it has a fun and retro look. I wouldn’t want something that looks so high end I could a target for a robbery. The Brave is retro but with all the bells and whistles of the new RVs out there. I only wish they would sell the motorhomes that they have in the UK here! So many great designs in Germany and abroad. Have fun and save travels in the U.S.!
Tsippi
You must like cheerful colors! I sure do. I was really interested in a Brave until I toured one. The booth dinette was very cramped and uncomfortable, and I didn’t care for the rest of the layout. Overall, I thought the Brave might be a good RV for a young family that wants to camp on weekends and will mostly be outside. I hope that Winnebago hears from dealers that the idea of pretty colors and simple design appeals to a lot of people. That aesthetic needs to be applied to the slightly more upscale models.
Alan
I like your changes although I must admit I think the floor does not match the cabinets. That said, I am surprised that Fleetwood was not more open minded about letting you make changes. They would not let you change the cabinets, really? I have the feeling that they did not take you seriously, letting you “play”, while at the same time “putting you in your place” as in “you are just a couple of young RV’ers – nobody to really worry about”. This is exactly what is wrong overall with the RV industry and is why I appreciate what you were trying to do. Now I would like to see a more progressive RV company who is looking to “break out” in the industry invite you to help them really do some design ideas for your next coach! There has to be one out there who really cares about where us younger folks will spend our RV dollars. I am 55 and my next home may well have tires!
Trish
Preach ALAN! AMEN! I thought the same thing. It was EXACTING like them putting the WYNNS back in their place! The cabinets make up the look of the entire RV pretty much! They tried to make something nice with what “THEY WERE ALLOWED” to do. I like a class C that is what I would want for me and my dogs. I feel like the only way to go would be through a custom rv interior company. Here is what SHOULD be happening in the states.
https://youtu.be/zfMlBx5uuOQ HALLA!!!
Trish
I like the new RV… I am a little disheartened with your options for change. You could go to a cabinet store your self and get the cabinet doors you want. If you are PAYING REAL MONEY!! What… 80 to 100 grand? You should have more ephing options!! Why O WHY do they hang on TO THE BELVELED? It’s not great. You guys can replace the doors your self if you wanted to. I can tell you bith are happy with the changes. I am happy for you really. The paint job? Not so much. Am I nuts or would it be less work for them to paint ONE SOLID COLOR?? My dream home on wheels would be one solid color. Why can’t that be an option? Don’t even get me started on carpeting!! Yuck! Tacking as Blank!! Tell them to check out some other YouTube videos. DethleffsTV or Knaus Motorhomes, have a look what a home on wheels can be with an open mind. Clean airy open sleak efficient functional with space you have to work with. God bless with your new home! Safe travels!! Have a wonderful time in Alaska I’ll be checking in on your updates!!
Trish
I want to edit my comments! I meant to say Tacky as Blank Not tacking!! Also just read the part that you are leasing the RV from Fleetwood. So never mind about changing the cabinets and real money you are spending on this RV, I also wanted to put this link on here. How great would this design be in the states? https://youtu.be/zfMlBx5uuOQ
You should have an edit button for people like me who spell incorrectly. Even with spell check I still manage.
Suzan Allen
We have been living in an RV for four years. Since we are older, we should be the market that the RV industry seems to be targeting, but the styles really leave me cold. Carpeting is just plain dumb. We all have pets living with us and their cheap carpeting is impossible to keep clean. If the slide extension need them, get back to the drawing board and find a solution. The window coverings are awful and block light. The ones on your new rig are much nicer. I also agree that the wall sconces should go or at the very least be modernized. The cabinets need to be smooth and easy to keep clean and I’m going to vote for light colors. Wallpaper borders are the worst, boo hiss, ban them completely. Some of the people wanted more color. That is incredibly easy to fix, pops of color on the inside can be accomplished with pillow slips, throw rugs, even a vase of flowers. What’s so hard about that? Well that’s my two cents, thanks for the forum.
Heather
Yay! It’s about time that someone helped update the style of these rigs. I would say they look like something my grandparents would prefer but my grandparents prefer Frank Lloyd Wright, Eames, and just cleaner lines & less busy looks. I think the reason many people end up buying the busy, gaudy, dark wood RVs is simply because they don’t have too many other options, especially for motor homes. The only time I have seen someone pull off full & cluttered is a glammed up gypsy caravan. They make it look magical and dark and mysterious.lol But the rest of us need light colors to open & cheer up small spaces. Btw, I tried to fill out that survey but my phone is wonky. Anyways: Modern/Nautical style & most importantly I WOULD pay an extra 5k for an off grid package. Absolutely! You two are full of good ideas. Please, keep doing what you’re doing. So inspiring!
Ann Contella
I love that you two got this opportunity. The kinds of changes you’re proposing are long overdue. One thing I wish the industry would offer is an “a la carte” system for interior choices. I might like (be able to tolerate) a certain fabric in design group A, but prefer the flooring from design group B. Instead of forcing the entire palette, people could mix & match to come up with their own palette. Another would be allowing people to choose from flooring options such as (a) minimize carpet as much as possible, (b) carpet in living and bed, tile/vinyl in kitchen and bath, or (c) carpet everywhere (yuk, but that’s just me). Great job on your design choices, and I’m looking forward to learning what you’ve named this rig!
Kaypee
Yep, I agree completely. I keep looking and nothing is a perfect fit. If you want light colored walls you seem to get saddled with very dark counters. Thanks but no thank. Why not allow more flexibility for the purchaser?
Jeanie
I would love to see as totally green RV as possible – this is a great step in the right direction, but it would be an interesting poll question: Rate Your Need to Be Green a) The most green possible RV b) I prefer green if it doesn’t cost an arm and a leg or c) Green isn’t important in an RV. This is a fascinating series, guys – great job! I’d love to see the manufacturers get out of the grampa rut – they might surprised by the demographic that’s considering RVs but is turned off by the stodgy, out dated styles. Keep up the great work, Wynns!
George H. Williams
I’d love to see a more European design direction, meaning a smaller vehicle with multi function furniture and areas. While solar power is a great solution to energy use and conservation, a better designed kitchen and house electrical system (better insulated fridge, totally lose the stove and the inclusion of an induction style stove top thus creating an all electric kitchen) would maximize that solar power. On the design, I’ve owned an RV off and 9n since the ’80’s. It has been my belief that the paint outside (graphics) and interior were always done like a government contract, by the lowest bidder! The color choice on most seem to be from q Jackson Pollack painting, I just don’t understand ’em and ain’t too sure if I like ’em! No suggestion as to what to do, just a belief that they need to tone ’em down. Hey! thanks for reading all this, thanks for your channel and most of all thanks for being so informative in ALL your videos. (recently ecen saw you guys on TV,too!)
Trish
Great great!! AGREED!!
Dave Narvaez
Hey guys! Love your “Resurrecting Dinosaurs” videos and your new Fleetwood Bounder is beautiful. My wife and I live in Sunny South Florida and follow you online. RV’ing is sure to be in our future! (Although I am really torn between RV travel and Catamaran sailing. How did you choose which adventure was for you?) I have a question though. I know you wont be addressing the technical side of things until later on, but I was wondering if you both have heard about the new Tesla batteries that are now being developed for power storage in solar homes conversion & how that might be a huge advantage for use in RV’s and Sailboats. Here is the link:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/05/07/tesla-batteries-solar-storage-elon-musk/70931456/
It seems like our country is finally moving towards solar power. Tesla claims that with these new wall units, homes could be fully off the grid. Right away I thought of the advantages of how this could transfer to better quality RV batteries. Your thoughts??
Dave
KB2
Great job, you guys! Glad the manufacturers are finally listening to the consumers. I think your gorgeous minimal design choices look way more inviting & comfortable. And I agree about the carpet. Bleh!
Side note, I think they should always do longer counter tops (no oven/just convection) with a possible induction cook plate. That way it’s out of the way when you aren’t using it.
Christine
Love, love, love the new coach! Thank you for pushing for the design changes you made. I just purchased my first motorhome and had to look long and hard for one that didn’t make my teenagers cringe. If we found the floor plan we liked the fabrics and other surface treatments were “old fashioned” or “ugly,” We did eventually find one we could all live with but it shouldn’t have been that hard. I understand the need for durability and flame retardant but why does it have to be patterns? Plain can be “prettied up” with additional cushions in a fabric color or pattern of your choice. Also plain (and by that I mean simple neutral colors) means that for resale the next owner can make it their own.
One thing I am curious about is the age range of buyers that would choose simpler fixtures and a more neutral color pallet over the traditional designs. Is there a difference?
Vicki
I too love the clean, lighter interior. Doors options will have to wait for your next RV.
Agree on outside paint. At least they toned it down a little.
They could try a telescoping table like they put in Tiny Houses. Murphy bed ok, but why not a drawer underneath a regular bed?
Maybe manufactures should hold focus groups at RV shows. Baby Boomers are not as archaic as manufactures think!
For me, the cleaner and greener the better! Putting a composting toilet in mine now.
If people start requesting/demanding these changes, they will happen or people will find companies that are willing to change to get/keep your business.
Don’t think in the real world age has much to do with taste. It just makes sense to have fuel options, solar, composting and recycling, multi use interiors, efficient lighting and all the modern day pioneering gear for boondocking. We need to think more European with an American twist for the better!
JC
I love what you’ve done. We pick up our 33-ft Newmar Bay Star next month, and if there would have been a decor package like this available, we would have taken it for sure. Still, Fleetwood did not let you do enough to move the needle, in my view. The tweaks you were able to make don’t seem like enough to sway a buyer to Bounder when they are considering something else. I would love to see something much more strongly modern, like what we see in European rigs.
curt wichman
really like the flooring, i agree with others, NO CARPET! like the dining table arrangement too, I don’t like “booth” , but I prefer a curb side arrangement, and they seem hard to find. I also don’t care for the hide a loft bed over the driving compartment, i would prefer more cabinet/storage
Steve
Can’t wait to see more! If you could have changed the wood cabinets to be cleaner and more modern, and as another commenter mentioned, not present around the bed slide, it would really take it up that extra notch.
I also agree that the carpet is a no-no. The wood-like floor you have is beautiful, and the fabric wall covering and the simple valences and the bed fabric choices are amazing! Overall just an incredible job you two!
Can’t wait until it’s an option from the factory!
Jeff
Great job! I agree with everything you want to change. If the carpet has to stay, how about a more modern look. The only change I would make is the fabric on the valances. It needs some contrast/small print in the fabric.
ENJOY!
TJ
What did you do with “Roy”
Nikki Wynn
We gave him back to Fleetwood and I am not sure what they will do with him because he is a test unit. I am not sure if they sell those or not? I will have to find out.
lawrence constantine
I would want it to be diesel and it can be in the front with air compressor with jake brake not an engine brake air ride suspension no black water tank composting toilet would allow a bigger gray tank biggest shower they can fit no windows at back of bed to small side windows on side of slide heat to be diesel / electric on damand hot water and get rid of the propane stove electric only with all the pannels i saw on roof and the awnning should go from front door to rear by bed slider max ac 13000 no 15000 yes other than that it looks great think you did a good job and yes its time to change cabinets face look sick of the colonel / cape cod look am i asking to much there are coaches for familys and there are coaches foe just two keep up the good work i will always be watching papa tony
Jay
Great Bounder! You may want to try out the Five Star Tune, think you will be pleasantly surprised.
Love your site.
Patrick Gordon
Thank you for trying to wake up the industry. We have a 2008 Winnebago Journey 39Z that is the most modern Class A we’ve seen new or used. We do not like the look of the current offerings, they resemble my grandmothers house WAY to much. The Class Bs are finally getting better but the As need lots of improvements in design and style.
I sure hope with your following you’ll accomplish a sweeping change in RV design. The European market does a great job with their interiors. The vendors/supplies need to be challenged to innovate modernization as well.
Thank you!
John & Lynda
I’m inclined to believe you are indeed taking a pleasant step back in time. We own a 1992 Beaver Coach and couldn’t really see ourselves in anything currently available outside a Foretravel, Newell or Prevost conversion. The reasons are a simple matter of quality and style. The early 90’s appear to be the real golden age of motor homes with names like Beaver, Country Coach, Vogue and Foretravel to name but a few. Our paint is simple and elegant and everything in and about the coach is SOLID from the woodwork to the ride quality. Our motorhome also gets nearly 10 MPG (USA Made Craft Brewed Biodiesel!) when driven conservatively so tell me why in the world would we not want to aspire to match or exceed these extinct qualities instead of creating partical board covered in trim tape econo-boxes accented with frivolous bling. Motor homes deliver an experience and if resurrection is the term then I am all for bringing the quality and style dinosaurs back to life.
Jesse Turner
Washer/Dryer option? Didn’t see it and do you miss it?
Nikki Wynn
Still have it and still love it!
Marco Torcaso
Great job, finally a R.V. With taste.
TJ
Agreed, and I do not even own one, yet.
Boaz
Your changes are a vast improvement and, like you, I would have taken things further if I could. E.g., the wooden trim around the bed slideout is ghastly. I believe that dark overhead cabinets are a fundamental error in any RV, because dark colours descend (I know that you couldn’t change this). If the cabinets were cream or similar the coach would feel much roomier, and the effect would be stronger if you added recessed LED strip lights above the cabinet doors to create a “floating ceiling” effect.
Pam m
Please no more carpeting, no plastic faucets, we need big deep sinks and lots of kitchen counter space, pet window on passenger door, tinted windows, and please please get rid of ugly crunchy fabrics. I really like what the Wynns did with fabric looks cleaner, modern, brighter and more open. I also love the wall color and tile in kitchen, I really wish you would of let them make the cabinet door changes those carved out cabinet doors always looks like Grannys house and who wants to live at granny house. Thanks for asking
john
Not bad looking they have to stick to a format or it becomes to expensive to make .much brighter and nicely laid out not your grands rv hey.
Jeff and Christine
Great presentation. While we decided to go with Diesel & used for our first RV (2008 Journey) it does have a simplier interior design with (thank goodness) no florals, basic fabrics and nice curved cabinetry. We like a lot of your ideas and have solar and a composting toilet on our radar to install in the next few months. As always we enjoy following your travels and look forward to seeing you in person ‘down the road’.
Patrick Gordon
To: Builtfortwo: Has the Freightliner recall been done on your chassis? Ask Wynns to provide my email please, we have an 08 WB P39Z, love to compare notes.
Tracy
Love your new coach but a bit to long for me! I am the new baby boomer rv’re and want to have as small of a rig as possible to get around in!
Phil & Rita
Congrats Guys, the industry should be putting up statues to you two !!! Taste is VERY personal but thank god you came along! As a European (Scouse) non RVer but with hopes of one day touring this beautiful country (Canada) I thought it was just me that thought all motorhomes, and indeed most North American RV’s per se, were designed by 70 year old Romany Elvis fans on crack (that’s not copy-righted and you’re welcome!). Delighted there are more of ‘us’ out here! Completely with you on the whole solar & space saving thing too. It’s a little too incongruous in my opinion to talk of being green and driving an RV but it’s a damn fine start to help modernise the industry. Ultimately it could lead to, dare I utter it, a growing pressure on the motor industry to produce more fuel efficient engines but that’s a whole other conversation. For now, well done ! Your ‘rvoscar’ is on its way. Peace.
Phil
Ron Merritt
The interior is nice. But there are others using this same layout – Tiffen was the first out with it on their 31SA and 36LA. They use a longer wheelbase, heavier rated chassis and with a better wheelbase-to-overall length ratio, would have much better handling dynamics than this Fleetwood. As a manufacturer, Fleetwood cares alot more about interior treatments than driving performance or build quality. That long rear overhang tells me all I need to know to avoid this Bounder model, and Fleetwood as a manufacturer.
Jack Mayer
Be cautious of recommending a prewire solar package. The manufacturers do not have the knowledge to do this in a “best of breed” fashion. Although I have worked with a couple of manufacturers that now do have an appropriate “upgraded electrical” package. But most do not. I’d be willing to work with FW on an appropriate set of upgrades in that area if they wanted to, though.
Julie Brumm
Great job! We love your style choices….and look forward to someday being able to purchase the “Wynn Package” 🙂
Deb
I appreciate you adding the disclaimer. I was wondering, and I know lots of other people do too, about whether you were being compensated by Fleetwood, or given a huge discount to buy the RV. The fact that you are leasing for one year makes perfect sense for both sides, you and Fleetwood.
John Purner
Looks great. I really do like your design changes. I am concerned about the Bounder’s roadability. It looks like it has way too much tail overhang to track well. I think the length to wheelbase ratio is way too small for safe handling. Also, I’m not convinced that the gas engine will provide enough power particularly in the mountains. I’m anxious to read your travel reports when the new coach is put into service.
Nan
It looks great. It’s a Class A with class.
George (Chip) Mauro
Your fabric and pattern selections are very nice. While I think your woven wall coverings are a home run, for the ultimate in personalization, I would prefer paintable wall surfaces throughout the coach. Color is a very subtle important element in life! Thank you for upgrading from the paper tile details to the real deal! But again, I will tile my kitchen my way. SO the overriding theme on my coach is give me a blank canvas, I’ll do the rest.
I am concerned with any “pre-wiring” or “pre anything” from the factory as they are more profit conscience than performance wise. Example, I would install #6 wire for solar. IMHO, the bigger the better (of course any 5’8″ guy would think that way…)
Linda Nazworth
I love all of the changes you made. The RV manufacturer need to take note. I am not sure on your shower. I would like a little bigger shower in my 2005 county coach. I love, love what you have done. I think they should of let you do all the changes you wanted to do.
Tara Belcher
Love, love, love the new design!!!!!!! Soooooo much more homey feeling! I hope to buy one soon and would opt for the design changes you all have suggested. Hopefully, the RV market will recognize that not everyone wants to ride down the road in an RV that looks like it’s been designed by their grandmother!
Regards,
Tara
Peter Van Der Spuy
My wife and I just LOVE your design and would REALLY like Fleetwood to implement all of your proposals! We both turn 60 years YOUNG this year and enjoy LIVING (heart attack in 2010 and all!). Don’t know if we living in Pretoria, South Africa makes a difference to y’all over there, hehehe!
Kari
Love your choices! Shaker or cleaner European cabinets would have transformed the bounder even more!
Is that real glass tile used as backsplash? What was used to install it, was it any special material used as adhesive? I have some glass tile almost like yours only different colors leftover from when I retiled my bathroom that I would like to put in my new villiago renegade that I’m picking up next Wednesday!
Thanks for all your hard work and for sharing your lives with us! Kari
Kerensa
Great job on your choices! This looks so much more like what we would choose, it gives me hope for the future.
Bill Anderson
I hope that the rv industry takes note of your survey. People want more choices and at the prices of a new rv it doesn’t seem unreasonable. Some people want an rv for short vacations while others for fulltime. Choices or opinions if you prefer are a way to cater to the individual and not only to the masses. Buyers feel as though they more a part of the process when they are involved in the design of their coach as I’m sure you did. I applaud Fleetwood for letting you personalize your coach but more options is always better. Baby boomers are retiring by the thousands everyday ( of which I’m one ) and I see more of them looking to rving as part of their retirement. I will be interested in seeing how you like your gas coach as opposed the the diesel ( I prefer diesel ) . The floor plan of your coach is very good and Fleetwood has many to choose from but I like as many slides as possible through ( room to roam ). I wish you the best in your travels and look forward to your next video as always.
Tina Wildoner
Congratulations on your beautiful RV and all the work you guys did to promote simple, clean interior. Thanks for being a voice for change.
Kathy Parker
I always admire your sense of adventure! Lol. I do like your changes, but it’s a little stark for my taste, but I could add anything I wanted. Love the neutral colors… I’m a huge fan of grays and tan. I also like the floor, it’s clean looking . Kudos to both of you! Enjoy Alaska! Be safe…
LisaD
It’s all about the living room. It’s so nice. I’d be very happy hanging out there
Ray
Good Job! I like the simple clean style inside and out. I really am glade you got rid of the dinette booth, 2 chairs and a table are way better. I never considered a bounder but now………
Mark Ridling
Jason and Nikki,
Thank you for your information and website. I look forward to your posting and generally find your posts well done and quite informative. However, while I was looking forward to your information about your new RV, I was quite disappointed!!
I had anticipated an innovative floor plan, unique storage ideas, a lot of solar, new inverter info, lithium batteries, different holding tank justifications, motor selection ideas, towing options, on demand hot water heater, etc. instead, you presented info on how you selected colors, paint, flooring, and fabric! Nothing that makes you ‘custom’ RV function or perform any differently than a stock Bounder. I suspect that basically anyone is able to go to the factory and pick out their desired colors, fabrics, etc.
I suggest that you stick to what you do well! … Location information!
Nikki Wynn
Well Mark, sorry you are disappointed but we have been saying from the beginning that this was not a ground up project and that isn’t something we would be qualified to do (we are not engineers). We stated in the beginning and the end that the solar, lithium and such are all coming in the next post.
Rick
Hi Nikki – I strongly disagree with you that you and Jason are not qualified. As full time perpetual travelers I know that you are highly qualified to offer real-life, experienced ideas and suggestions on floor plans, features and desired equipment. Look at all the posts and videos you have generated over the years where you have done exactly that! How many RV designers have ever begun to spend anywhere near the time you have in actual daily RV use – in many different climates and all over the country? If you are not qualified then I do not know who is. While you may not be engineers – you do not have to be. It is their job to make your desired features work. I know from spending a lot of time talking with you at the Pomona show last fall that you have strong, valid opinions about a number of RV features – Fleetwood should listen and pay attention to your ideas. I think a GWTW special edition is in order!
Becky
Come on with the cabinets already! Huge improvements, but really…a simple cabinet door has to be less expensive as well as more appealing! Get out of the 80’s! Looking so much better though!
Nikki Wynn
Right! We feel you Becky, we feel you. 🙂
Kevin
You guys did great on the changes that Bounder let you do, but I have to agree that the paint on the outside is still to busy. We do not like all the swirls, I look at it like this, my truck is one color, my car is one color then why does my RV have to look like billboard. I do not understand why we build modern RVs the put old style cabinet doors on the inside, it makes the coach look so dated. Why can’t companies like Bounder offer color cabinets, not everyone likes the old dark wood color The RV industry needs to look at coaches that are built in Europe, clean lines and modern.
Nikki Wynn
We couldn’t agree more.
Robert S. Mellis
generally like the updated look of your interior. I do think the cabinetry generally looks cheap, though. But that’s related to the price point of the coach. I agree with you about thinning out the swoops and swipes of the exterior paint. The one thing that I felt was truly cheesy: the Gone with the Wynns and the drawing of you. Ugh!
Vikki Rogers
I absolutely love your choices. It’s understated elegance instead of swirly busy-ness which makes the coach look so much more open and calms the mind. Excellent job bringing motor home style into the 21st century!
Kevin
Well Done!
I’m looking forward to the tech update!
Thank you for your openness to share your story.
Paul
Very Nice. I like the wall covering and the flooring. It is a major improvement. To add a little more contrast, I would actually pick a slightly darker carpet color, matching the back wall in the bedroom, and I prefer carpet in the bedroom because it feels warmer in the morning. Also I would go with a brown or copper accent on the back splash to blend it all together.
As you said, the cabinets just don’t seem to fit the style so hopefully Fleetwood can come up with some options in the future. I like wood panels, just updated in style. The Vesta was on the right track. I wouldn’t mind a bit if they just copied, but then you have more experience with that.
The exterior styling has a nice look but I sure would like a lower overall height on my next RV, and 30 feet is perfect. I don’t like the wind resistance or the clearance issues on tall coaches and I don’t like long because it limits your camping options.
With just a few more changes my next coach could be a Bounder. Thanks for pushing the industry in the right direction, and thank’s for sharing.
Mike
I noticed in your video (your new Bounder) that you mentioned that the Bounder was 10 times better then your previous coach-can you tell us why?
Nikki Wynn
The overall feel of the interior and exterior is so much brighter. Roy was a great functioning coach, but we disliked all of that black and gold from the get go.
Jane
Has trouble voting sorry…might be on my end…like the simplified decor, looking forward to the tech stuff! Really like the pull out dinette! Hate those booths!
John Mills
My choice for style would be to take the interior appoinments one of those beautiful Sprinter based Airstream Class B and scale it up to a 34′ Diesel Class A. Clean and modern. I would not be able to go gas after hearing all the cool sounds of the diesel with air brakes.
Nikki Wynn
Ha ha, Jason already misses the sound of those air brakes. 🙂
Marlin Stevens
Wow.. You have really got the ball rolling. I love the changes to paint, fabric, flooring, and windows. Cabinets need changing. I am going to change over to diesel. The cockpit is too noisy and the coach is all over the road. Most of that is corrected with the better ride and rear placement of the engine in many diesel chassis’s.
Did I see a notation that this coach is leased as the other one was? Can we look forward to more changes next year?
I am over 65 and retired. I hate the design choices that we have for coach interiors. We need to hire the Canadian designers from Leisure Travel Vans.
Can’t wait for the next video.
Nikki Wynn
Marlin, to be honest, it is fun working behind the scenes and providing feedback but, it is a ton of work moving coaches every year and we’re not sure if we will do it again or not. Plus, we still have our dream of sailing to get to someday soon. 🙂
Tim & Ann Smith
Great job and great looking coach. Agree with 90% of your design choices (10% would be our own personal twist). It would be nice if the industry could give us all the ability to pick out the fabric types and colors like you did. It is like buying a home after all and everyone does not want to live in the same looking house. The engineer side of me is looking forward to the more technical stuff Jason will present later.
Still two things on our list that are tough to compromise on, hard roof & air ride chassis. Both can be done on a gas chassis, it just needs to be tried (again if it was done before). And with the increase use of large fiberglass panels at the factory’s it should not raise the price point that much as they already have the infrastructure in place to fabricate and handle these larger panels.
Looking forward to your feed back on the gas.
Nikki Wynn
Thanks Tim and Ann. There are a couple of manufactures that have a special order process where you can pick out fabrics and such, it’s just not really advertised for whatever reason. We plan to create a post/video about it so more people will realize there is a little bit of choice out there but I wished it were more of a standard. Like you said, not everyone wants to live in the same looking house.
Ky Y8ger
Hello Wynns, I like your style….. Always trying to add humor, and thoughtfulnes to your updates.
I bought a near new 2014 Fleetwood Bounder (class A, gas) last year. I am thoroughly enjoying it, but spending money and time creating what the Wynns are asking Fleetwood to do.
i.e.: LED lighting interior/exterior, remove “Bounder and Kangaroo graphics”, add 3M crystalline window film, upgrade sound system from 2 interior speakers (to 4 with amp), add solar/inverter, extend the ridiculously short exterior shower hose, upgrade dinette foam cushions, add MaxxAir roof vent covers, etc….
I chose to complete this within 90 days of ownership, and find it interesting and albeit disappointing, Fleetwood chose to save a nickel on the features forementioned, when owners buying at the Bounder price point require them.
Hope to See-ya in So-Cal……
Ian Brown
You didn’t cover the bathroom, but I’m sure that’s coming for the Composting Toilet section of the next feature.
I’m really liking the pull-out dinette, because I don’t fit in booth-style seating.
Bang up job on the decor! Very comfortable looking and not nutzo with prints. The color scheme works well (I’d have gone earth tone accents -_o ), and really adds to the style of and making it feel like an open and unified space.
I can’t wait to see the tech update! I hope those panels have an auto-raise feature!
Ian Brown
Oh… and bummer about no desk area except for the co-pilot. 🙁
Nikki Wynn
There are desks (hidden when not in use)…we will show them to you in the next video!
Dave
A suggestion on the survey questions. I had trouble fairly offering an opinion on several because I wasn’t sure what the difference was among the choices. For example, Modern vs. Scandinavian is unclear to me. Bigger pictures on the graphics question would help me understand what “modern” was. A quick description of why one might choose AGM and lithium batteries vs. lead would help. Of course, including added descriptors in the questions bloats up a simple survey, but probably wouldn’t take respondents much longer to complete because they wouldn’t spend as much time trying to make sure they understood the questions.
Carsten
A step in the right direction. Still a lot of Gelsenkirchener Barock (Grandpa style). Might want to Check Niesmann & Bischoff RV interior and exterior design – german design. http://www.niesmann-bischoff.com/en-flair-interior/158/331
Continue your Journey, thx a lot for your input.
Rick
Great to finally get to see and hear all about your latest RV. I really like your color and style choices, especially when I compare to the photos on the factory site of the 2016 Bounder standard design. Your colors win!
One thing which Fleetwood probably realizes is that a neutral color scheme makes it very easy to personalize and customize – which is what you are doing. That flexibility is great for the customer.
As for the survey – I find that like many surveys some of the questions asked do not always really address how I would like to respond. Not everything is black or white, and often my initial response is – “it depends . . . “. To address some of the survey questions:
2> Length. This was a good survey question, as you offered some clear option ranges. One thing not yet addressed is overall height. Reading the Fleetwood specs the 2016 Bounder is 8.5% higher (1 foot) than your Excursion. I recall from earlier videos you felt that a lower overall height was important for improved fuel economy and better tree clearance. Not to mention that for those few who may want to garage their RV a standard max door height is 12′, so an RV over that won’t work. Seems that many Fleetwood models are over 12′, whereas I would prefer something well under 12′.
7> Refrigerator – No range choice allowed in the survey – only very small or very large. My ideal answer would be that I prefer – for just my wife and myself – a residential refrigerator about 20-23 cubic feet. But even there, my stronger preference would be one based on efficiency. As mentioned by Jason in one of your videos the large residential model in your Excursion just sucked up electricity, so not only is a mid-range size important, but being highly energy efficient is of even greater importance to us to better enable wild camping.
8> Desk – I would think that these days that almost everyone would have need of at least a small desk / PC station in their RV because the need to access the internet is so great. I suppose the small slide-out support at the passenger seat might work for many to just use a laptop on, but for people traveling for longer periods I would think a more permanent work station would be in order – one where a larger monitor can be permanently mounted, etc.
10> Batteries – Depends, depends, depends! What’s the cost difference? What about capacities? What about associated equipment (Inverter, charging management, etc) that may come along with the different battery types?. LI batteries imply the need for other system mods as well – such as a bigger solar system, larger inverter, but it all comes down to particular needs and the cost. I prefer LI batteries, based on your articles and those written by Technomadia, but not necessarily if they cost $10k more. So it depends.
11> Cell & Data Booster – As with batteries – it depends on the cost and choice of equipment. Would it include an external antenna? At the very least proper pre-wiring is a minimum requirement, but for the right equipment choice and price I could very well take it all as a factory option.
12> Solar – Same as the last 2 – What is the cost and how good is the equipment supplied? Again – pre-wiring is a minimum requirement, but I might go with the factory option setup for the right package. Would also like an option to add additional remote panels so I can park in the shade and put those out in the sun.
14> $5 Wild Camping Package – Again – depends greatly on quality of equipment involved. It comes down to intended use by each customer, but for me this would be very attractive depending. . . on the equipment and the actual package price. I know one thing which greatly impressed Jason on the Excursion was its included pure sine wave inverter, so a wild camping package would be no different. Install good equipment at a fair price and it would be a no-brainer for many. And I would think that high quality water saving facets would be standard fitment these days.
One thing about factory options – they are often attractive as their cost can be rolled into the financing total RV cost, so the full price impact is not felt fully at time of purchase.
Sorry to be so particular – I cannot wait to read further installments on your new Bounder! Am also very anxious to see how you compare other features and functions to your Excursion 33D – which is a model I like very much. It seems one big change is the bath sink. While the Bounder seems to offer a larger one, it also has virtually no surrounding counter space – which is something my wife finds critical. But great job on your design color choices, and keep on telling us all about your RV adventures – we love it!
James
Also, I would like to echo Ben’s sentiments about a glitch in your page. He stated the following, “p.s.: a small bug in the comments section here: when using the arrow keys to navigate the text, there’s an event causing a random scrolling of the page. maybe you can add an event listener for ‘keypress’ that will prevent this while this text area is focused”. This occurred with me as well and it’s quite annoying.
Since I’m posting again, I might as well add that I like the color scheme that you were able to secure in the Bounder, but I liked even better the color scheme that you had hoped to secure, but couldn’t.
Joy Pickering
Love the exterior paint change!
I agree!
Make this part of their permanent design!
Love composite floor!
James
I like the new RV…it looks pretty clean. However, I don’t like the bedroom…it reminds me of a dull, cold chamber. Do you have plans to spruce it up or make it more welcoming? Also, I think you should have installed the wood floors in the bedroom as well. I really like the living room and fireplace area. I like the dinette table as it seems quite functional, clean in appearance, while offering space saving advantages. I also like the work station in the passenger seat area of the cockpit. I’m not sure where I sit with regards to the cabinetry…I don’t feel as though I have an issue with the current cabinets, but nor am I clear with regards to what you guys are talking about when you say that you would have opted for a more modern type of cabinets if given the choice. I’m looking forward to two things; 1) your solar / tech set-up and layout, 2) your assessment on the gas engine powered RV. I feel it’s somewhat common sense to opt for a diesel when in a Class A; however, if a gas engine serves the role just as well, then it makes sense to save the $45K…but does it serve the role just as well?
Debbie
Looks great! Too bad they couldn’t have lowered the stovetop a bit and had matching counter material that went over it. I like the windows without the side parts. Love your simple walls. I’m glad we don’t have any of that loud paper with boarders etc. I still would’ve preferred simpler patterns like yours. It’s looks much more cozy than your last rig. I didn’t think you’d enjoy all that black in the last one. Can’t wait to see the solar part of your new rig and how you like the gas engine. Kitties seem very happy!
Carey
The only thing I don’t like is the tile backsplash–not simple enough in either coach. I’d be happy with some sort of clear plastic or glass, or anything that doesn’t call attention to itself.
Carey
Love your design. Too bad they couldn’t let you switch up the cabinetry also.
Brittney
wow huge improvement! too bad about the carpet and beveled cabinetry. love how light it looks, and the wall change alone was a huge improvement. oh and the couch piping change!!! it looks more like a home. the basic bounder layout is really nice, but a modern or simple scandanavian look would be a great option and easier I think for people to tweak to their own exactly style. Why can’t they offer one flat front or shaker cabinet and one old fashioned luxury bevel option?
Ted
Well, this is another fine kettle of fish we have gotten into. First, I’m in the older generation, 62, retired, and for over 2 years now have been one dealership visit from spending $300K to $400K on a 50 foot Diesel pusher…. problem is that all three of our finalists, left us not feeling enthusiastic about our new motor-home and new adventures each time for many reasons… funny how it takes so long to really decide what are your own final choices…
Common theme was they were all big, old, ugly 60 thousand pound monsters that could only be comfortable in large trailer parks… away from the “action”…and most times had to be serviced at the factory, I said were old, but not dead.
As a technology guy I will have to hold my final inspection until I see the details about the technology inside… maybe this is a new gas / fuel injected turbo that has lots of power for that one a time when you need it to go up hills, may be there is lots of solar and lots of batteries, which originally, were not even part of our considerations, may be it is fully configured with good wifi, and wireless, as we got older our need to be connected only grew…
May be it has lots of propane, lots of water and lots of gas… you see, I don’t want to have to worry about the long wonderful hot shower in the morning, or running out of propane or having dead batteries.. at least for handling issues there are lots of upgrades that can be done and putting $10K into a gas motor-home at this price to overcomes handling problems, is not a big issue… But over coming the first and biggest issue… Big, old ugly, 60 thousand pound monster, well, that really became the issue.
So, our list,
King Bed, yes can be done, hope its a great mattress.
Second, sleeping area for that once a year problem, yes, although I don’t like blow up mattresses.
Third, reasonable size fridge, stove, counter tops and microwave, yes
Fourth, Nice sitting area to relax, yes, work area and breakfast setup combined, yes.
Acceptable, verging on very nice simple interiors, floors, valances, fabrics and plastics, very nice, except I hate the plastic “V” in the cab, something I have to see and try.
Finally, not a 60 Thousand Pound Monster,… were not dead, we still want to see North America… this might be a good compromise… and not $400K… and does not have to return to the home factory, or 300 mile one way trip for service issue, local Ford Dealers everywhere. So, I think I can finally put to rest the monster, mine is bigger than yours view and enjoy a motor-home at a reasonable price and enjoy the places a reasonable size coach can take you. Thank you for your efforts, everyone every age can benefit from your efforts.
Well Done !… lets see the technology and take her for a spin….
Perling (at least on FB)
Love the changes! You two’s picks are super solid and much like we’d choose, and your new home looks fantastic. 🙂 Still tho, key gripe?.. really wish cabinet face designs would advance a generation, not just from Fleetwood, but most of the Class A builders (all of them in fact from what I see?). The new class C builders understand and are kicking butt on this one, if you ask many of us, but I’d guess you feel that too.
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Beginning of the video with Fleetwood’s designers (who were really cool, btw), it struck me when one of the guys said “We’re not talking contemporary” as if he knew right off, that’s where you and many buyers would like new designs to lead.
I’m stuck on this issue, and I think the largest portion of the interior – the cabinets, drives the main direction and vibe of the interior’s design, regardless of changes such as you’ve made. The cabinets and simply the overriding surface space they command, really makes a cabinet-face design a difficult ambiance to transcend.
Why is ‘Contemporary Design’ not a positive design direction for a coach like the Bounder? Have they looked at the exterior of their RV? The contradiction from the exterior design to the interior is rather dramatic and I’m not expecting many are asking for wood paneling or a Landau top on the exterior.
Do RV owners today (not from 2005) still prefer a coach that looks like grandma’s house vs. an Italian yacht?
When it comes to the interior cabinets, which as mentioned so override interior vibe, this seems the main question.
I find this ‘Old school cabinet design is the most popular’ suggestion difficult to believe. Even Seniors from a decades ago perceived that the smooth, curved, multi-surfaced, quality cabinets of contemporary yachts exude a much more expensive vibe than what currently graces the interior of even the 2016 Bounder. And I don’t find many 30 or 40 somethings buying yachts. It’s often buyers in their 50’s or more, so tell me again that contemporary design as seen in modern yachts is unpopular with a discerning Senior segment?
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So that’s my big misunderstanding and biggest gripe with big A class RV interiors today, and one I’d be surprised to see market research reject.
One of the newest designs around is the retro Winnebago Brave, and tho this is a nod to retro, in it’s surfaces and clean simple materials, it’s actually a exercise in the most contemporary sort of design around today.
As I’ve yet to see a consumer level Class A RV, gas or diesel (except your Monaco Vesta, which sorta suffered for other reasons) adopt a contemporary design, especially on the interior, I think the first one to the punch is going to net a whole segment of new buyers, younger buyers, Class A buyers moving up from new class C designs, who could be turned into lifelong customers by a fwd thinking manufacturer.
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Congrats on the new ride!
Love you two – you’re the best.
–LD
George Petty
I love the design, simple but modern. I concur with your ideas about paint schemes, basic and am not crazy about decals, makes it more difficult to maintain. did you make any modifications for storage solutions? Thank you for all the information that you put out about RVing. I currently have a 08 Kodiak Super-C with Duramax and Allison transmission. Only complaint is no place to hook up washer dryer. Once again love your blog.
Ben
Your design is definitely an improvement. The colors are right and the overall looks is better.
I’m waiting for the technical reveal, the solar setup looks like a dream come true..
I wonder how much would a coach like yours would cost?
Thanks!
p.s.: a small bug in the comments section here: when using the arrow keys to navigate the text, there’s an event causing a random scrolling of the page. maybe you can add an event listener for ‘keypress’ that will prevent this while this text area is focused
Nikki Wynn
The solar and lithium battery set up is crazy awesome and we can’t wait to share! Thanks for the heads up on the comment issue!
Ami
Love it! Definitely a step in the right direction. I’m with you about getting rid of the carpets and those arm things on the windows. Will be great to hear how it’s performing, especially since you guys are used to diesel. Really looking forward to the next video! We are in the market for a Class A in the next couple of years, as our family has grown and our little C isn’t fitting us very well anymore. This video and all the upgrades to the 2016s are making me take a much more serious look at the new Bounder. Good luck with your new rolling home!
Tim Smith
Looks great! I would much prefer simplistic, clean Euro design. Amazing how long this is taking the industry to recognize. Thanks for leading the charge.
Mark B
** Modernized Bounder? Isn’t that an oxymoron?
Yes, I know gas and diesel are cheaper now than anytime in the last five years, but fuel mileage is still important. No one makes it easy to find any RV figures, and I know there are more variables for an RV than for passenger cars, trucks and SUVs. But most reports indicate your Bounder will get between six and seven MPG. You might see eight MPG if you leave the ‘toad’ at home, and you’re driving downhill a lot. (Unfortunately, the always-downhill M.C. Escher Memorial Highway is hard to find.) Yes, all modern engines have fuel injection systems for improved mileage, and multispeed transmissions for the same purpose.
But is a vehicle that only achieves 6-8 MPG really ‘modern’ (or practical for any but the deep-pocketed)?
** Will it pass the Chaco Canyon test?
Chaco Culture National Historical Park preserves several Great Houses built by Ancestral Puebloans between 800 and 1150. Anthropologists think it was the capital of a large region in the American Southwest. It puts Mesa Verde to shame. The main catch is the several miles of dirt road you drive to get there. It’s graded a few times a year, but it’s still a challenge.
A friend drove that road with a class A diesel pusher, and it was the last time he ever tried to. In his words, “The fireplace came loose, everything fell off the shelves… it really banged it up.” I suspect nothing less than a 4WD Tiger RV would be able to make the trip unscathed.
** Do things like a fireplace and plush interior really have a place in an RV?
Before we bought our Leisure Travel Vans Unity, camping was something I usually did at the end of a 5-10 mile hiking day wearing a 30-60 pound backpack in the Sierras, or occasionally, in a tent at the end of a drive to places like California’s Anza Borrego Desert State Park. So a real bed, toilet, running water, and a separate shower are welcome luxuries. As a former Silicon Valley engineer, I want reliability, easy maintenance, and aerodynamic shape. In design, I prefer simple and functional with smooth lines.
Slides are a no-no if you anticipate anything approaching rough road driving. They’re a $3K + repair if something happens to the drive gear(s) or motor, a definite reliability liability.
An RV lets you avoid long teardown times when you’re going to watch or photograph waterfowl at sunrise in places like Bosque del Apache National Wildlife Refuge. The RV (or a tent) is even more critical in Sacramento National Wildlife Refuge, where there are no other lodging options nearby. Again, roads at NWRs can be unpaved.
We travel with a Shetland Sheepdog and a Bernese Mountain Dog, so our dogs and our outdoor activities dirty up the interior pretty quickly. The non-carpeted floors are much easier to keep clean. The RV frees us from having to look for dog-friendly lodging, and the Unity is plenty big enough for all four of us. It’s also aerodynamic and light enough to get 13-18 mpg. There’s a small PV solar panel on the roof to keep the coach batteries topped up. Interior wood cabinetry has smooth, rounded doors of real wood with simple locking hardware. LED lighting reduces coach battery drain. Our generator runs on the same diesel as the engine, and diesel generator maintenance is less than for propane. Service intervals for the V6 turbodiesel are very infrequent (but keep an eye on your DEF), and the engine has been around long enough for Daimler engineers to iron out any bugs.
** So are a fancy interior and a large, heavy class A RV really necessary?
Nikki Wynn
I could be reading this wrong but it sounds as if you are assuming everyone’s needs are just like yours and everyone travels the same way you do. This is our home so yes, we want an interior that reflects our personal style. We have two cats and a lot of camera gear that we travel with so a good 28-30 ft class A is our preference. But we realize that everyone’s needs are different which is why we thought it was important to give people a place to voice their opinions and weigh in with votes. With that said, I am glad you took the time to weigh in and share your thoughts. Its the diversity of these conversations that will lead to some fantastic ideas.
Mark B
I realize everyone’s needs are not mine. Some prefer more luxury and space than we do.
But consider the environmental impact of the larger vehicles, and their operating costs.
I also travel with two DSLR bodies, 16-35mm f/2.8, 24-70mm f/2.8, 70-200mm f/2.8 and 400mm f/4 DO IS lenses, a Fuji X-E2 with Leica and Zeiss lenses from 21mm-135mm, a couple shoe-mount flashes, and too much computer gear. There are two of us, and we travel with one medium-sized (Sheltie) and one large dog (Berner).
** So it is possible to travel in an environmentally gentler, comfortable, and less expensive way with pets and gear. Of course, I acknowledge that some folks want more space.
I can understand your desire to design your home in a way that fits your lifestyle. That said, is there more to it than floor and fabric choices? Can a smaller, more efficient package be designed with close to the same storage space? Do you really want lower ground clearance if you do lots of wild camping?
Just a few thoughts.
Cherie @Technomadia
This is a great step forward in design options for RVs, and yours is a HUGE improvement over your last one. So much more bright, simple and cheerful (totally agreed on the cabinets too!).
So happy you went with this layout, it was one of our favorites when we toured the Fleetwoods with you at GLAMMA/Fleetwood last spring (wow.. that was a while ago!). The separate living area from dining/kitchen is a really cool floor plan design we love seeing come to market.. really helps break up the space.
Now, to get the manufacturers offering options for built in and non-convertable desk spaces! So much that could be done in the front of the coach, especially in this floor plan where the living area isn’t part of the front.
Great job guys… both the Wynns, and the Fleetwood crew!
RVgeeks
Amazing how far things have come in the ten years since we sold our first RV – a 2002 Bounder Diesel. We loved that motorhome, but every single change you mentioned for 2016 was a really positive improvement in just one model year. There are more thoughtful and useful features on the gas model than we had on our diesel. Having never had a gasser before, we’re really eager to hear your thoughts about that, especially after the long trip you’re taking. Looking forward to the tour of your custom rig.
Adam
From what I’ve seen, only Leisure Travel Van even begins to capture a clean, modern design in the RV world. Reference Dwell and Design Within Reach for suitable inspiration.
Glenda Wilburn
I really like the clean simple look of your custom RV. It gives the owner the ability to personalize it completely with their own pillows or whatever they want to use for a pop of color. But also it gives them the ability to change their mind too and not be locked into one design. Special kudos to you on the floor choice. Love the distressed wood floor look! Although I’m with you, it would have been nice to carry that on into the bedroom.
Toni Bright
Very nice for a gasser, but who am I to say since that’s what I drive. The changes that you all made are in the right direction givin that you are somewhat limited by the manufacturer.
I think that on cold nights, especially in Alaska, you will appreciate the carpet in the bedroom when you need to get up and go. I would recommend a throw rug in the comfort room for that same reason. It can always be washed.
We look forward to your tech mods review. It looks like your ready with the six panels on the roof. I am also particularly interested with the changes that were made to the Ford chassis. Mine is an 02 F53 chassis that I have heavily modified and I’m curious if Ford has brought their chassis up to the modern era from the Model T era of mine!
Save travels and happy roads,
Toni Bright
TheBrightwayrvrs
Todd B
I really like the changes you have made so far. I completely agree about the paint scheme, if they would have eliminated the two swoops it would have been even better. I really like the floor you chose, warm but not too warm. And lastly, I LOVE the valances. Every time we look, I think about how much I would not enjoy those swoop swirly overly done valances. Yours are a step in the right direction! Can’t wait to hear what you think about the choice with going gas!
Todd
Angie Brown
I love your revisions. We are in the market for a class A and have not found the right fit yet. We do lean towards this floor plan. We have 2 boys that are going to be 6’and taller – so need an RV that sleeps 4 adults. We do not want a mobile hotel. We still want to feel like we are camping – but also want enough space for rainy days. Our class C bunk model has been great – but a 72″x29″ bunk is getting too small for my 15 year old. It either needs to be wider, longer, or we need them to move forward in the RV. We have not found an entry Class A that will sleep 2 adults (that aren’t a couple) up front. We do not want to convert the dinette for sleeping. It would be great to have a class A that has the bunks that could convert to a desk area when we need to move the kids forward to sleep. My husband works from the road when we travel and needs to be able to have a spot to sit with his computer after everyone else goes to bed.
I do love your design choices. I prefer a simply elegant preference myself. I like the paint color and style better. I love the textured walls, clean valances, and lack of florals. I also prefer no carpeting. I think I’d prefer guides for the shades just to keep down the rattling while driving and light out — but otherwise love the simple design.
If your RV were a 2016 option — we would be strongly consider it. We’d go for the drop down bunk. The standard 2016 model would not be a good solution for us. I love the technical improvements but the interior décor as you showed it would not be clean enough for my family. I am hoping something changes. We were not considering Fleetwood at all until I came upon your site. I look forward to hearing how things progress.
Alex Blakey
Love the new rig – about time someone told the RV industry how to build a rig that has more appeal to the younger crowd.
The choice between gas and diesel is tough. I find the gas has plenty of power (your not supposed to drive RVs like sports cars anyway), good enough economy and the engine noise isn’t too loud. My main complaint is getting the Ford chassis to handle well (not drift from side to side esp when towing) and, most importantly, getting a soft enough ride!!! I’d like to see gas chassis with the rear wheels moved further back (to provide more stability) and air suspension – that would be my ideal rig. Perhaps you can add a question about the biggest complaint with your gas chassis – I bet the vast majority would say ride quality – in my mind, that is the only reason to pay the extra for a diesel.
Nikki Wynn
Thanks Alex! As for the gas ride quality…that is a ford issue and one ford has to fix. I know the RV manufactures would like to see some other gas chassis options too but not much exists.
Rick L
Alex – I wrote a rather lengthy post elsewhere on the Wynns’ web site on the Ford F53 chassis. I test drove a Newmar with the F53 chassis and I was shocked at how bad the ride quality was. The ride was rough and road vibration came straight through the steering wheel. Within 20 minutes my hands were buzzing. Apparently Ford has real problems getting tires to be true on that chassis. The dealer found that two of the four tires were out of true and had them replaced. That helped a bit but the ride was still very fatiguing. Speaking of dinosaurs, that leaf spring suspension is from the Triassic. And apparently Ford has problems getting the drive shaft properly balanced. To their credit, Jayco has tried to address these issues with their JRide package on their Precept class As which includes the MORryde suspension upgrade and other modifications. I drove a Precept and the JRide package yielded only a slight increase in ride quality. You can put all the lipstick you wish on that F53 and it will still be a dated, rough, uncomfortable chassis. If ride quality is your top concern, diesel is your only choice. I’m guessing but a 2013 Excursion would probably go for about the same price as a new Bounder. Heck, maybe you could get a good deal on the Wynn’s old Excursion.
Jackalope
This looks beautiful! Very clean and fresh! I agree about the carpet and the beveled cabinets, but your design choices really brighten it up. The Bounder has my favorite floorplan, including your dining table option. I am thinking about a class A in the next few years, and would prefer a look and layout similar to yours, especially with a wild camping option. The most important thing is that your cats look very happy with it:). Hope you have lots of fun! Congratulations!
Steph Dozier
Love the clean lines and light fabrics. You will really love the flooring! So much easier to clean and just looks neater. We have the same issue with the carpeting but we have more of a Berber so it blends quite nicely and maintains pretty easily.
A+++ on the window treatments, lighter counter tops and furniture! Simple is definitely better here and you get so much natural sunlight flowing through the RV. One addition we really love is having a ceiling fan. On those days where it’s really nice but the wind is just not flowing a ceiling fan can make a world of difference. Was that an option in the new Bounder?
Also I really liked the paint job without all that gloss! I preferred the stock paint job to the monochrome but both looked great.
Overall I love the features, can wait to see the new videos! 🙂
Annette
Love the wall board. Love the monochromatic — all one color furniture and valances. No obnoxious prints. I would have chosen a darker color to show less dirt and wear, but love the concept. Let me add my OWN textures and colors with accessories. That’s the design trend for homes, why wouldn’t I want that in an RV? Thanks for your hard work.
Wheelingit
Awesome job guys!! Love the new floor, simple fabrics, cleaner look. All are great. Like you I’m not a fan of all the bevelling, both on the cabinets and on the counter-tops & tables. Besides the look, the bevels are a pain to clean. I’ll go over and vote shortly!
Nina
Wheelingit
just want to let you know I keep get an “unexpected error” every time I try to use the vote thing on the iPad. I’ll try the desktop later, but wanted to let you know.
Nina
Nikki Wynn
Thanks for the heads up! I will look into it.
LisaD
Very nice. Not a fan of the floor though. Too much heavy heavy grain for me. Sort of ‘country-ish’ too. I’d prefer a very benign barely there if at all cream. Winnebago seems to be going with Euro cabinets and lighter simpler decor right now. Fleetwood must not have a Euro-cabinet option.
But no talk of windows? How about the Seitz european window? They’re lovely. And when are Mfrs going to blend in the black metal frames of the traditional USA RV window?
Hope Lithium/Solar has it’s own series of videos. It’s complicated 🙂
Nikki Wynn
Thanks for the comments Lisa. In person the floor looks much more modern but I totally realize it’s not for everyone. We have seen some really great plank options in a barely there look in European motorhomes but they didn’t have anything like that available for us to choose from. Would have been nice.
We have talked about windows before but haven’t gotten very far with it. If I can find some different styles, that would be a good poll to add. Thanks for bringing it up!
tracy
One more question – your bedside ledges look larger than the stock version. Did you compromise on bed width?
Nikki Wynn
By going with a queen size bed it allows for larger side tables and more room to walk around the bed. We are not big people (plus we like to snuggle) so a queen bed is plenty large enough for us.
tracy
One of the questions was tricky….transitional spaces. I LOVE the option you chose for the dinette and the couch looks like it extends plus the overhead loft in the cab. That said, I would hate a Murphy Bed so I am hoping my vote for transitional spaces wouldn’t change a traditional bed option. Unless of course it’s just that – an option 🙂
Nikki Wynn
It’s always about options and everyone not being forced into the same thing. Transitional spaces could be a murphy bed, loft bed, a coffee table that pulls up to become a dining table…there are so many possibilities that could make these small spaces so much more functional.
the more we explore
Way to go guys! It’s nice to hear some big players in the RV industry paying attention to the younger demographic.
I always wondered why RVs had those ghastly lamberkins. I’d love to hear if you miss them in a couple weeks, and if the light leakage is a problem. I can imagine a few better solutions than lamberkins anway. I’d even love to see someone ditch the shade covers, as I think those are tacky too.
Exterior color scheme is way better, and I agree that just the middle swoop would have been even better. I can’t overstate how much I love the simple, pared-down look inside. THANK YOU! Subtle interiors is where it’s at. Let me add my own decor without having to rely on the manufacturers to choose my taste. No floral prints, tacky adhesive wood for appearance alone, and no nasty drapes everywhere.
If it were my coach, I’d probably go with a lighter cabinet color to make it feel bigger inside. I do like the contrast between your dark cabinets and the creme theme though.
I love the tile kitchen backsplash, it was the first thing to catch my eye.
Since you mainly use your induction plate and solar oven, could you make do without an oven, microwave, and stove? If so, you’d be able to use the space for a larger fridge or even more storage. Man, I’d love to have a say on the floorplan/layout design of a coach, there are a few things I’d change.
Great video, great overview, and I was surprised just how much of a change the aesthetics made.
Nikki Wynn
Thanks! I would love get design my own floor plan too or at least improve upon the existing. Do you know, I tried so hard to get them NOT to put in the stove and microwave but it was a no go. I have my kitchen gadgets that work so much more efficient and I would have never missed those appliances. Ah well, maybe someday.
The More We Explore
Are you ready to go 100% propane free, or do you still rely on it for the fridge and furnace?
Pat Minshall
Love it, think modern off white cabinets would be a good choice. Have been following you since you hit the road and look forward to all your posts.
Would love some comments about your cat and traveling with one, he/she sometimes steals the show.
sundaystyle
Love your new home! As has been pointed out many times, the interior design of too many coaches looks like someone put a 3500+ foot McMansion into a car compactor, and you wind up inside a claustrophobic, over-decorated box. Even if you like the kind of home décor that involves elaborate prints, lots of wooden bevels and scrolls, big valances, etc. (and I, personally, don’t) it stands to reason what works in a large home is going to look overdone and impossibly busy when you transport it into a few hundred feet of living space. So kudos to you guys for helping design this simple, pared-down look. Can’t wait to follow your Alaskan adventure!
stacey
I love the changes that you have made! But really, the cabinets need to GO! I agree about the carpeting.
We have a 2014 30ft class A, and have spent a ton of money updating it to get to current trends! Please tell them that not everyone that buys an RV is over 50 or retired! We use ours for traveling to tournament ball games that our kids play! If yours was available….. we would be turning ours in tomorrow!
Amy
Wow you guys!!! It looks like a model home! Absolutely beautiful! It “seems” like it would be so easy for manufacturers, especially Fleetwood since they already seem to be a bit more modern than other manufacturers, to offer a “modern” style option. They always have three to choose from, but they are often all the same, just different colors, same swirls. We have a 2014 Fleetwood Excursion, which, we felt, had the most modern look of many other DP’s on the market. We love it!
BTW, props to Fleetwood for having the foresight of partnering with you guys. We would most likely not be sitting in the Excursion if it wasn’t for you…so thanks!
Roger
As I understand it, the video highlights changes made by Fleetwood from 2015 to 2016. Your changes are yet to be seen.
Whatever; I like everything you highlighted. Putting all the extra little cubbies in for storage is a brilliant no brainer. Why didn’t anyone do this before?? We like the buffet/table option which is becoming more common and have never liked the dinette booth. We are not as, ahem, slender as you two and the booths can be uncomfortable. Plus the buffet provides more easily accessable storage. Can’t wait to see your upgrades.
Brenda B
I prefer the “living room” area in the front so the driver and passenger chairs can swivel around and be part of it. And Nikki, how on earth do you fit all those cute clothes you wear in an RV closet? I know they can come with some sizable closet space, but they’re not THAT big. I love your videos, btw.
Nikki Wynn
ha ha, I am going to have to give a tour of my tiny closet. I really don’t have that much but make it all work. I will add that one to the list.
Jose
As an engineer, I’m not big into “style” but I do see a lot of value in good design. I really like the direction you are going and I’d love it if Fleetwood would let you push the boundaries further. My favorite things in the design are:
– Really great neutral color pallet and super simple valences
– Love the subtle texture of the wall coverings contrasting with more movement on the wood floor
– Great choices of free standing dinette and stainless fridge for a more residential look
Thanks for nudging things in the right direction.
Steve
Hi Guys, i have posted before about my preference for European designed motorhomes. Having said that i think you have a real flair for design and have made a big improvement on the Manufacturers original design. One thing though why don’t you get a cabinet maker to replace those hideous drawers with one to your own design?
Hope you have a great trip to Alaska.
Laura
Your new home looks lovely and homey. Thank you so much for sharing. Glad you were able to improve the standard look to some extent. You are on the right track for sure. I have a class b RV and I do feel like this industry is making some of the more modern design changes. Enjoy your new rig and have a wonderful trip to Alaska.
Gwen
Hey there!
Love your new resurrected TV! I have a couple of questions for you.
1. Is it hard to get from the front seats to the back without going out side and coming in from the outside door?
2. I am in a wheel chair and was wondering if a wheel chair lift was an option. If not would it be possible for the owner to have it done?
James
It would have nice to have the option of fiberglass vs. TPO roof especially when travelling in areas with low lying limbs. As you know roof rips and tears can be very expensive to repair. Also, we have a 2013 Bounder, 33C love the layout, but we added a dishwasher, she wished that it would have been an option. Overall it makes a wonderful motorhome as we travel throughout the Pacific Northwest (primarily Cascade Mountains). Aside from the power issues while pulling our 2011 Ford Ranger (toad) which you will encounter on your Alaska trip I think overall your choice was well made.
Scott B Out
“Wild” camping option (or model line) would be the BEST and most important improvement.
I agree with your exterior paint options.
Simpler fabric patterns are nice, but it seems manufacturers are headed that way already.
Your window treatment option LOOKS a bit better, but won’t the shades flop around when driving?
There should definitely be some sort of flat panel cabinet available; not only would it be cheaper for the manufacturer to build, it would look sleeker, be easier to clean, maintain, and repair, and should be easier to add color choices.
Losing the sconce light and adding a print was nice, but that could be done rather easily after purchase.
Frank DeLuca
We absolutely love our 2015 Bounder 35K! Totally agree about the sconce and we are going to incorporate your print idea and get rid of the factory installed unit. Love your flooring, does brighten the interior even more than the tile floors. Wish you all of the best with your new unit! We will be starting out on our full time life style in August, hope to see you on the road.
Robert Lighton
Hi Wynn’s….overall very well done and enough changes were done to give the stubborn knuckleheads at Fleetwood a clear picture of the future.
The changes that set the tone are really simple…the floor and the wallboard. No mottling as before….this is a holdover from the seventies where the idea was it would hide spotting I guess. I cannot believe they are still stuck in the seventies!!!
I am not crazy about the backsplash and the large stainless refrigerator. I think huge amounts of stainless is an eyesore. It would be much better with wood panelliing on the frig….this would add to the overall harmony. I would not mind using a backsplash in stainless..a little bit of it looks nice.
I would recommend getting some better picture frames and adding as many as you can fit using your own art or photos. This will not look cluttered as long as it is organized and will give the coach more of YOUR personality and help reflect places you have been. You are creative people..don’t hestitate to show it. You can continually change the art as your tastes change.
Regarding the cabinetry the color is not bad and if they would just change the raised panel construction to something more modern. This frame and stile design is also a holdover from a high quality seventies kitchen. They need to realize that your coach is NOT a kitchen. Any change to this classic type of cabinetry design will challenge the production line at Fleetwood…but the reality is that any type of change would require different production techniques in the cabinet shop. Maybe you can get them to tackle this next. Have a look at the Newmar King Aire cabinetry. Simple and elegant….and actually not that hard to make..but production would have to be set up for it.
The exterior paint is still a fiasco in my opinion. My personal Leisure Unity MB was ordered with one solid tan color overall with the idea I would add some accents later. It looks so nice that I have kept it as it is. A coach of your size would need some accents. I think the hesitancy on the paint is that the swirls are used to divert the eve from joints is the chassis that are unavoidable and you might see in a solid color. I see a few on mine but don’t really care.
The two of you are true pioneers for the industry and will help bring more people to this great lifestyle. All the manufacturers owe you some gratitude for your efforts.
Yes I am a designer.
Amy
I like a lot of the changes you made…the floors, simple table vs dinette, etc. but I am not crazy about the window valances without the sides. The sides not only help with the light but they help cover/play down the dark sides of the window that just jump out at you taking away from you nice clean simple decor. Can they make the window frame white or almond on the inside so it blends in more?
Dianne Worthington
Lovely. I agree different cabinets would make a huge and much improved difference. I absolutely love the color scheme, backsplash and fabric choices. I wish I could wait for some of these changes to be implemented, but my house closes later this month, and I just purchased my Fleetwood Discovery 37R. I do not like the L-shaped sofa (which Jack-knifes) and am having it replaced with a standard one (with a queen bed for visitors). You have inspired me and all my wild camping equipment is being installed now (primarily solar and composting toilet). I’ve been waiting forever to be able to say “see you on the road”. Although I won’t be heading to Alaska my first summer, hopefully we can hook up soon. Thanks for all your help!
Nick Ryan
The Linen Wallboard is beautiful. The floor is a horrible mismatch to the cabinets. I would have carpeted the entire floor, as changing the carpeting is the easiest way to keep a coach modernized as the years go by.
I would like to see the RV industry eliminate the use of leather and vinyl upholsteries, as it is cold, sticky, and cheap looking, and they always end up being stretched out making it look even worse.
Nikki Wynn
I agree with you on the vinyl! We tried going with a fabric sofa and chairs but were told NO by the furniture manufacture. They said upholstery fabric wouldn’t hold up on our style of l-shaped sofa with the sliding section. I keep pushing the issue anyway. 🙂
Carol
I LOVE what you have done with the RV! I especially love the flooring and the kitchen table. I didn’t know you could get rid of the lower oven! Never enough drawers for me. And speaking of drawers…brilliant idea with the one by the passenger seat. All in all I am loving the direction. Can’t wait to see the next installment.
donnyj
Thanks for the update! I’m very interested on your opinion of the Gas. One thing I’ve always wondered is does the Diesel have fumes tat leak into the cabin much like a bus… or is the build quality better so that doesn’t happen?
Nikki Wynn
We have never smelled the fuel in any RV and assume that must be due to construction.
Cynara
WOW! Love it! Looks gorgeous!
Yes I would have no carpet either, the stove would look better flush.
But its going in the right direction. The colours are simple, clean I love.
Im wondering if the fabric would hold up to kids?
Great look guys:)
Bruce G.
The interior looks great and most of the exterior is to my liking. I wonder what is up with the wind dynamics. Your Vesta had a superior front end wind resistance which could of improved gas mileage when going down the road. Most motor homes (including the one I own) have a very flat front end which in a wind tunnel, would look like a concrete wall going down the road. Even modern semi’s have taken a route to improve wind resistance. Modern trucking has gotten away from the “cracker box” flat designs to fuel efficient ones.
Additionally, with so much front glass, I wonder if a Heads Up Display (HUD) would not be better than having to look all over the place for the right gauge and take you eyes off the road. The motor home has the space for it so why not place some of the gauges in projection on the glass?
Michelle
Absolutely love the new look. The cabinet and all the dark wood details look so out of place, such a pity there isn’t another option even if it was painted white just to lighten up the whole space. Carpet in the bedroom definitely needs to be changed to be the same. The thought of having to spend money buying an RV and then more time, effort and cost to totally overhaul to suit my taste so far puts me off buying one altogether.
TumbleLees
We love it so far! You’re on the right track! We’re shopping for a Class A. When we met the Snowmad’s at the Tampa RV show, they told us we’d like yours after we said what we wanted but couldn’t find! Then we got to tour inside one at a campground and it had the best floor plan! The only 2 downsides, we really need a king bed (hubby is 6’2″) and we want to tow a bit more car. We found a used Tiffin….we can’t wait to see how it “tests” out for you!
Lisa
I noticed that your RV doesn’t have sink covers. What is up with that?
Nikki Wynn
They come with them, but we gave them back as we never use them.
Lisa
Oh, I see. My husband and I are in the shopping phase at the moment and I know you’ve mentioned work space in some of the videos, so I was curious. We love the new look that you brought to the Bounder, it’s gorgeous! Everything you do is so inspiring! We love watching your videos and look forward to more. Have fun in your upcoming adventures in your new home!! Cheers!
Scott P
Nice project with excellent descriptive videos which describe your project goals.
Agreed on all your changes, including the elimination of carpet, and smoother visual lines inside the coach. The industry has years of history in the “tacky design” area.
Early in the conversation, during your redesign discussion with the design team, they said “no” to your request to change cabinets. To me – that’s the deal breaker. We “passed” on a 40′ Dynamax purely for this reason. Who wants to look at cheap looking colonial cabinets? I’m over 50 yrs old, and I dont want to look at them.
These small changes are a step in the right (design) direction.
Also – agreed on above post about buying a “tricked out” Wynn dry camping version. Don’t feel like dealing with the hassle of refitting proper (max) solar, compost, inverter, or other extra features to maximize dry camping experience.
Nice work Wynn’s….
Sheila Hagadone
Your home is BEAUTIFUL except for the cabinets.
They look out of place. I’m not sure WHAT I would change them to but NOT those. I agree, I would of like to have had the flooring all throughout the coach. All in all, GREAT JOB designing the coach! Just HAVE TO get rid of those cabinets!!!
Edward elbers
Wow! Your design looks fabulous! I want one! Seriously! The difference between your design choices and the “standard” coach is night and day! It is the difference between having a modern style elegant home vrs being in an old style vinyl diner. I am right now in the market for a new RV and seeing your pictures has given me a standard by which everything will now be compared! Can we just tell Fleetwood that we want the “Wynn” option?
Brenda
I definitely would like some more modern and clean designs but if I had to choose the most important question for me it would be to have it wild camping ready.
From the batteries and solar to the composting toilet, lights and water saving devices. It just seems too intimidating to retrofit it all after purchasing with quality products.
Can’t wait to see how it performs for you on your trip.